Poll Finds Romney in Good Shape for White House Run
Polls this far out are more important for their entertainment value than for anything else, but they do offer a very general guide for “taking the Party’s temperature.”
On two unrelated notes, did you see where Louisiana has graced the Republican Party with two seats this year? Rep. Jefferson, the scandal-tainted Democrat who evidently foresaw the banking crisis by a couple of years and providentially deposited $100,000 in cold, hard cash in the freezer compartment of his refrigerator, was unceremoniously turned out of office. We have got a long way to go, but we are moving in the right direction.
On the second note, we went out to dinner last night at a new Mexican restaurant in a St. Louis suburb and except for a couple we saw dining in another area, the four of us were the only customers during what should have been the dinner rush. Because it was so slow, we had a chance to visit with our waiter and the manager of the restaurant, both from Mexico.
The waiter didn’t speak much English and he was talking to my brother and a friend of his, while I got into a conversation with the manager about, what else, politics.
He was against the war in Iraq, citing a documentary he saw about the war which showed the wounds that our service personnel are enduring and I saw the pain in his eyes as he recalled the footage. I told him we all wish the war was over and that the killing and casualties would stop.
But I told him that there are worse things than war. I asked him to keep in mind that Islamofascists flew two airliners into the Trade Towers in lower Manhattan and killed almost 3,000 innocent people whose only offense were that they were Americans. If we didn’t respond to that, the terrorists would have taken it as a sign of weakness and would have kept coming at us here, where we live. Instead of rolling over for them, we took the fight to their neighborhood, brought democracy to 50,000,000 people and secured the world’s oil supply. All in all, not bad.
We talked about the economy, the moral decline in America, his background of moving to Mexico from Spain and then from Mexico to California. He is a hard working guy, ( I could tell from his handshake that he has done a great deal of manual labor ) loves his family and is very worried about the direction that his adopted country is moving in. At the end of the conversation, I could tell that he is about a quarter of an inch away from becoming a Republican voter. His values are the same as the members of this site and I will encourage the RNC to reach out to these voters, not by promising the illegals something they haven’t earned, but by asking them to join a conservative party that will promise to enforce the law and help to restore, first to the Party and then to the country, the principles that made us the greatest civilization on earth.
~~John Cronin~~
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/2008_12_05_Poll_finds_Romney_in_good_shape_for_White_House_run/
By Dave Wedge
Former Bay State Gov. Mitt Romney’s bruising battle with Sen. John McCain has apparently left him in a good position should he decide to make another White House run in 2012.
According to a CNN poll released today, Romney is running third among possible Republican presidential candidates, slightly trailing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.
Of the 460 Republicans polled, 67 percent said they would be “very likely” or “somewhat likely” to vote for Palin, followed by Huckabee with 65 percent and Romney with 61.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani ranked fourth with 57 percent, former House Speaker Newt
Gingrich with 52, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal with 44 and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist with 32.
Huckabee, who’s now hosting a Fox News show and recently put out a book, ranked first among those who said they’d be “very likely” to vote for him with 34 percent. Palin was second with 32 percent followed by Romney with 28.Crist had the most opposition with 20 percent saying they were “not likely at all” to vote for him. Gingrich followed with 19 percent while just 13 percent said it was unlikely they’d vote for Romney.
December 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am
John , You hit it out of the ballpark , there are a lot of people that I know who vote Democrat that when asked the main questions of what they believe , they all answered with conservative value thoughts.
Our focus as you so brilliantly stated must address the uninformed and missguided closet conservatives who vote the other way. Connect with these people and we will win future elections.
December 7th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
This will not make a lot of people reading this happy, but if they could agree to it, I think a Romney-Palin ticket would be killer. Each of said person’s strengths would negate the other’s weaknesses (yes, Romney has some). It would have buzz, would be hated by the hard left, but could win. Think about it before you knock it (however implausible it might be…)
December 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Romney will lose my vote if he puts Palin on the ticket. She goes against most of what he stands for. It will be, as McCain did, a pander to the far right wing extremists. Palin needs to lose her bid for reelection, and go quietly in into the night. Romney needs someone as squeeky clean as he is. Palin just is not it.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
ParisParamus
I think it is a fair suggestion. I am not a Palin fan but if she and Romney aligned, Romney as President of course, she could bring the base a long and as of today Romney still has problems with the base. In my opinion, given her performance in the 2008 election, she would need serious coaching. Palin is good at rallies and draws a crowd. I think there are many who come to this site who like Palin so your are not the first to suggest such a union. I don’t think Palin would be the best pick for VP and frankly she is interested in being the president but one thing is for sure and I think everyone will agree with this… having Palin endorse Romney and campaign for him would be very beneficial to him.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Thanks for your article, John. In reference to your conversation during your Mexican dinner with the restaurant manager about WAR, I wanted to mention again, along with others here, that today is the 67th anniversary of the invasion of Pearl Harbor.
I hope we all say a prayer of gratitude today for ‘The Greatest Generation’ of which my Dad was a part. The Pearl Harbor invasion so compelled him to defend freedom that he lied about his age and at the tender age of 17 joined the ARMY. He became a fierce soldier – driving tanks throughout the European front to defeat the Nazis and Hitler. He was in Belgium in the bitter winter of ’44 and fought in the Battle of the Bulge – the final and greatest German offensive against the allies. It was all or nothing. 81,000 American soldiers were killed and 100,000 Germans were killed, wounded or captured. I begin to can’t imagine what that time was like. Our soldiers endured the unspeakable and fought with every liberty-loving, courageous beat of their hearts.
May our Father in Heaven bless all who fought for freedom then and who are fighting now. May WE live to be worthy of the great gift of liberty.
Infamous Day of “East Wind, Rain”
by Richard Olivastro
Sunday December 7, 2008
(Treat yourself by reading the COMMENTS, too!)
http://townhall.com/columnists/RichardOlivastro/2008/12/07/infamous_day_of_east_wind,_rain?page=full&comments=true#comments
Brief overview of Battle of the Bulge
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battle_of_the_bulge.htm
http://ice.mm.com/user/jpk/battle.htm
Battle of Bulge 12 PIC GALLERY (click on ‘gallery’ lower right corner - photo #5 soldier’s frost-bitten hands was a real punch to the heart for me – no words to describe my emotions that SO MANY suffered and how grateful I am for their sacrifices…)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bulge/
December 7th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Chris, part of the reason I bring this up is to brainstorm; I would like to see Mitt Romney as President, but I’m not sure enough Americans will agree.
What I don’t get, however, is how do you view Sara Palin as a “pander to “far right wing extremists”? What is so extreme about her? As far as I can tell, she isn’t that traditional/orthodox a Christian; she favors free market solutions to problems; she is for a strong national defense and non-UN-centric foreign policy. Please explain why she’s an extremist.
December 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I don’t think Palin is an extremist or uninformed, she understands Reaganism like Romney. People misunderstood her due to what the media did to her. She had the bad Couric interview but never made the same amount of Biden or even Obama errors on the campaign trail. Obama said 57 states and the media covered it up. Unfortunately, I don’t see her or especially the Huckster bringing any independents back like Romney, Pawlenty or Jindal could. I think Newt should also reconsider throwing his hat into the presidential race and work on chairing the RNC, it needs it badly. Folks we need a man like Romney to counter the media in the next race and bring Reagan democrats back.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
RIGHT *cen|ter* LEFT
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| M. Romney |
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| S. Palin |
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|J. McCain |
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LOL. This is my napkin drawing of why I think a Romney-Palin or a Palin-Romney ticket could win; and why McCain lost. Apologies in advance if this is reformated beyond all recognition…
December 7th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
oh well. it didn’t work. TOTAL Fail. The original diagram had Romney covering the ground right up to center; it had Palin covering the same span, but more to the right; and it had McCain covering a shorter span that went an tty bit left of center. McCain got fewer votes than Bush in ‘04. The conservatives stayed home.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Paris, she is the “one of us” candidate. She was chosen for her gender, but also because she is the right religion, and because she’s not a Mormon — which made some people who were worried about Romney’s faith very happy. Remember when everyone thought Romney was going to be VP? Remember all the threatening ads and letters to McCain from “religious leaders” who told us that the base would stay home if Romney was chosen? Palin satisfied them. It didn’t matter that she wasn’t qualified or had ethics issues.
Remember that the people who supported Huck didn’t much care about his lack of ethics, either. For some people, nothing matters but being the right religion.
Mark DeMoss at beliefnet:
“I’d like to see evangelicals look for competent, qualified candidates who share our values, whether or not they share our faith or theology. I believe it’s wrong to oppose a candidate because of his faith (Mitt Romney), and equally wrong to support a candidate primarily based on common faith (Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin).
Along the campaign trail I met so many people, including pastors and religious leaders, who could tell me only that their choice for president was a “good Christian,” or “one of us.” This, in my view, is a dangerously inadequate approach to choosing our highest leaders. We don’t choose people for any other positions using this test; why would we apply it to one of the most important positions on the planet?”
December 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Thanks for your post Pamela.
RE Palin messing up in the primaries and the media picking on her and not Obama- That was unfair. But I think it is wrong to argue that Obama got away with it so why can’t Palin?
Let’s raise the bar and put a candidate the ticket that is good at giving speeches, good at debates, good at fixing ailing economies (ex. Mass. Romney did an extraordinary work there.)good at giving news interviews (Romney is very informed and would never have to say “I’ll get back to you on that one.”)
I think the base will continue to wage war against Romney. I will have a hard time supporting the republican party if they continue down this road. I know that there are many evangelicals who have thrown their support behind Romney and continue to plead their case. I hope they will be successful.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
It is a pander to the right wing extermist. Exactly who is her ‘base’? Them. Who did Mac pick just days after the infamous letter came out demanding McCain pick someone alinged with them, and offered to bolt the part if Romney was picked. Palin is a loser. She’s not suited. I don’t want her anywhere near any buttons, and only near the white house if she’s purchased a ticket. Sorry, that’s how I feel.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Paris
I voted for Obama BECAUSE Palin was on the ticket. I was not alone. I was not fond of McCain, but when you put a right wing extremist on the ticket, you lose me.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Chris, until you can identify a set of issues on which Palin is “right,” you are being irrational. Yes, McCain chose her because she is more conservative. But since McCain is not much of a conservative, that doesn’t prove much. In fact, on which issues is Palin more conservative than Mitt Romney?
December 7th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
There are a lot more pro Mitt websites out there and I couldn’t find any decent pro-huckles the clown websites (other wise I would go there to blog and get them to join up with us). Has anyone seen any?
December 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
One area that Palin is very conservative on is abortion. She does not recommend abortion when the pregnancy is caused by rape. I wonder how she feels in terms of the mothers life being in danger?
Romney would have a different view.
This is one reason the base loves her. Also, the base tends to believe Romney is pro choice because his family had an experience where a relative had a botched abortion. His mother believed abortion should be legal because of that experience.
Romney did a lot to help the pro life movement in Mass and received an award from a pro life group.
I am not up on the details with Romney’s abortion history but I know he thinks that the matter should be decided within the states and not at the federal level.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Palins extreme view on abortion got some press and this may be one of the things that frightened the independents away. You have to admire her for standing by her principles.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
I think Palin distinguishes what she would do personally from what she thinks, or advocates should be the law. When you combine that with the fact that Presidents and/or Vice Presidents’ sole potential connection to abortion is, more or less, the SCOTUS nomination process, it’s hard to see how that would have much of an effect of a candidacy.
Anything else?
December 7th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
It apparently did have an affect on her candidacy for VP.
That is the one thing that came to mind. If you want more examples maybe Chris knows of others. I think Pis a little too liberal on fiscal spending. This information is available on the internet if you would like to research it.
December 7th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
CORRECTION I think Palin is a little too liberal on fiscal spending.
Huck was too. Romney is every fiscally minded voters dream.
December 8th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Paris
Here is a video that supports my assertion that Sarah Palin is not a fiscal conservative
http://www.wasillaproject.com/index/2008/10/sarah-palin-fis.html
December 8th, 2008 at 1:18 am
I was okay with Pallin as VP but as president running the military I would have a hard time of accepting her based upon her experience.
It up to her to prove her worth.
just as its up to Romney to connect with the voter more.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I wonder what people are smoking when I see Huckabee and Palin top the 2012 polls? I think that democrats are skewing the polls to vote for people that would lose against Obama.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:14 am
I guess it depends on which blogs you read:
Many people believe the Wasilla Project is a blog committed to smearing Sarah Palin. They certainly associate with some questionable cronies, like alaskahockeymomsforobama.com and the Huffington Post (a disgraceful web site, in my opinion)
If you read this blog, then the whole “Sarah Plain is not a fiscal conservative” is a lie:
http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/smears/palin-left-wasilla-20-million-dollars-in-debt/
Again, it’s best to look everywhere you can to get your information, and then make a decision.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Marybeth.
I have done through research on Palin. sheis not someone I want near the white house, in ANY capacity. I don’t care if she’s sweeping floors. Too close, IMO.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:29 am
HI Chris,
But you have no problem with Obama, who is a committed Marxist - a philosophy entirely at odds with that of a representative republic of the United States. This man will be in charge of our armed forces.
I don’t get that kind of logic. I personally would rather someone like Sarah Palin near the White House vs someone like Obama actually IN the White House.
But, to each his own.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Marybeth,
I think I see where Chris is coming from even though I may not agree entirely with her. She would rather have a wolf in the white house rather than a wolf in sheep’s clothing. One is obvious, the latter is deceiving and dangerous. Although, I would contend that Huckabee is much more the deceiver/liar/schmuck/panderer/etc than Palin is.
Palin is most certainly not the conservatives dream. She is, however, the dream of the Democrats and MSM. A definite slam dunk for Obama in 2012.
December 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I’m not saying Palin is or was the answer. But she is definitely NOT a Marxist, and Obama definitely is.
I worry that those who thought Obama will not be too much of a problem and voted for him to keep Palin away from the heartbeat away from the Presidency may not understand the ramifications of what they have done.
As Benjamin Franklin said, “A republic - if you can keep it.”
Those who voted for Obama may have voted away our republic. I truly hope to be proven wrong.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I know what and who Obama is. I can work with what I know.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I lived through Carter and Clinton, Johnston (although too young) Nixion, Reagan and Bush, Bush. I even joined the military when Carter was president. I think we’ll get through 4 of Obama. He won’t be perfect. Far from it. as near as I can tell, he’ll be a total disaster. BUT, we stand a chance now to get our party back from the clutches of the far extreme religious right. My goal was two fold. One, to purge the bigots. Two to show my children (some of whom are African American) that ANYONE can grow up to become president. I am concerned that some in our party is doing exactly what they critized Obama about. The worship is getting sick. And Palin is starting to belive her own press. If she’s the nominee in 12, I’m working for Obama.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Chris, I hope it’s only 4 of Obama. I look at Hugo Chavez, and how he is attempting to subvert the Venezuelian elections and constitution, and see what could happen in our future. I look at the radical Marxists in our government now - truly much more zealous than anything the Johnson & Carter years produced. These are dangerous people. The Constitution means NOTHING to them.
I personally know a few people who lived a good portion of their lives under Marxist rule - my children’s former au pair from East Germany, and my father’s handyman from Yugoslavia - and they are very concerned about Obama. VERY. Too many similarities in what he is proposing and what they lived under.
I absoultely believe Obama and his henchman will try their hardest to completely subvert our Constitution and twist it into what they want. And they may succeed . . . with narry a protest raised. There are too many mind-numbed robots in the USA today to raise enough fuss to counteract it.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
If what Glenn Beck, Citigroup, and others are predicting comes to fruition, a global economic collapse will make all other issues pale in comparison. Please read this!
Glenn Beck Radio Program: Disenfranchisement growing
December 3, 2008 - 12:30 ET
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/18835/?ck=1
December 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Could we please get the heck off of the anti-palin/mccain crap and get back to a pro romney site! Enough is enough!
“Is Romney firing up his presidential campaign machine?”
http://wbz.com/pages/3453074.php?contentType=4&contentId=3175514
December 8th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I do find it funny that the ONLY way some see Palin viable is to run it with Romney. I’m quite sure Romney is smarter than that.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Ron
People post comments such as “Palin 2012″ and Romney/Palin 2012. I support Romney and want others to know why I do and in so doing I share why I don’t support Palin.
As long as people want to promote Palin, the media included than I will not feel guilty for wanting to remind all of those who support her why she is not as good of a choice of Mitt Romney.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
My husband, Marybeth, is an argentine exile here in the US. He fought in the ‘dirty war’ against the communists. He sees Palin (as do I) as another Eva Peron. He can never return to his country.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Can you explain a little further, Chris? What similarities do you and your husband see between Palin & Eva Peron?
I was telling my husband this (retired RCAF), and he and I both think the bigger similarity would be between Hillary Clinton & Eva Peron.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Ron, I love coming to this site because there ARE so many diverse opinions on what will happen in 2012. Like so many here, I really hope Mitt will be in the thick of it!
December 9th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Starting with the worship. How about the do as I say, not as I do attidude? Peronsita’s are communists in conservative clothing. My father in law sells eggs, because he has been blacklisted because of his son (my husband). Christina (the new president is known by her first name, like Sarah) is more intrested in her wardrobe, than running anything. Kickbacks by both (building homes in wassilla by ‘buddies’ who happen to also get the sports center contract?) I’m presently working on a research comparing the two. I’ll post a link to it when it is done.
December 11th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Chris and everyone,
Have you been reading about the gas pipeline project in Alaska that Palin is pushing through? Pretty interesting, and not exactly as she portrayed it during the election. It’s far from a done deal, and Alaskans are not sure it’s ever going to happen, or that they should have given TransCanada 500 mil. This link is from the Huff post, but it pretty much echos what I’ve read elsewhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/pipe-dreams-to-nowhere-an_b_150035.html
Good luck with your project, Chris. I look forward to seeing it.