Evangelicals Warn Against McCain-Romney Ticket
July 29th, 2008 Posted in Mitt Romney
Washington Times by Ralph Z. Hallow
They say Mr. Romney lacks trust on issues such as outlawing abortion and opposing same-sex marriage and because he is a Mormon. Opposition is particularly powerful among those who supported former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in the Republican presidential primaries earlier this year
Rumors are still swirling about Mitt’s stance on the issues. Mitt has only flipped on abortion.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:50 am
I saw Mike Huckabee (missed the first few minutes) on Hannity & Colmes tonight. When asked who he thought could be McCain’s VP, he threw three names out there - Tim Pawlenty, Gov. Crist and Tom Ridge… notice he didn’t say Mitt Romney LOL I just found it funny because you know that he’s got to be aware that Mitt is in the top, if not at the top of McCain’s short list. What a dimwit that Huckster is!
July 29th, 2008 at 4:07 am
It’s all religious bigotry. That’s it. Nothing else. It makes me sick. Is it time for us all to form a third party?
July 29th, 2008 at 5:07 am
As a Mike Huckabee supporter, I want to post here that this article in no way represents Mike Huckabee and his supporters.
It is based on inaccurate information, as most media reports are. We want to heal any rifts between us, not cause more division. We understand the enthusiasm and passion that you have for your man, just as we have for ours!
July 29th, 2008 at 5:16 am
“It’s all religious bigotry.”
I am a Huckabee supporter and I know many Huckabee supporters and none of them had a problem with Romney’s Mormonism. So whatever this article was reference, it is not representative of the Huckabee supporters I know. I just wanted to pass along that love.
The reason I did not support Romney is because I thought Huckabee was stronger on the issues that mattered most to me.
I also didn’t like fact that Romney supports “ENDA” which every Christian/Family group is very opposed to including myself. It really came down to issues for me.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Robert: Thanks for you honesty. Since Mitt came in second to Mccain as a fairly unknown at time of suspention, I find it hard to believe he couldn’t excite the party. Obama has flipped on ten or more issues. Mccain has now ,if you will, flipped on several plus issues, so what’s the point.? Mitt satisfied the change of mind and heart on abortion, and same sex marriage, do your homework again on that one.It’s unfortunate that. Huck did make such an issue about the religion. I hear lots about Muslims these days and that seems to be swept under the carpet! Remember that Al Sharpton took a three day trip to Utah to satisfy himself about Mitt’s religion and stated he was not opposed at all to the religion.
Mitt is a wonderful spokesperson, he is smart beyond smart,
he understands this economy, he managed in the private sector and knows how to turn bad situations around, he’s full of energy, he is a perfect health specimen, he can pull money in for the party, like no other, the list goes on and on. Now, let’s all hope Mccain’s cancer is not recurring,
he is under a great stress load.I saw Huck last p.m. he is the only one not even mentioning Gov. Romney, can’t let go, can he? That is not Christian! That’s why I couldn’t ever vote for Huckabee.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:19 am
ROBERT , WHAT ? ENDA ?
WHAT ISSUES ROBERT , PICK ONE AND EXPLAIN……..
July 29th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Been following this campaign since 2005. Romney has been the Washington insider pick. Romney spun on a dime when the negative of being attached to the insiders came out, claiming he was an outsider. That is one of many examples of what we know to be the opportunist character of Governor Romney. How about the Governor ordering all marriage certificates to remove one man and one woman to read as it does now? How about the $50.00 abortion.
Look, during the primary, Mitt was full guns ablazing in mudd and it all came back to stick on him. We are not looking to have to vet Mitt again. Personally I like Mitt, despite the fact that his Father founded the income tax in Michigan. But his wrathfulness is that of his CEO experience of a company who made it’s fortune on the devouring of weak companies worth more parted out then to maintain the jobs it created.
As to the Huckabee slams, he too was vetted and found all those comments you have made here and on this Article’s post, resolved and without merit of Mudd.
Remember, our true enemy is those who wish to make a Marxist State of the USA. The enemy is those who would put Washington in charge of everything, including how much toilet paper you use. Let us get past this Mudd and consider it a learned experience that Reagan was right, our first and foremost rule as Republicans is to not throw mudd at each other, but to stick to the issues. Vertical politics is the term we use.
Once we get past the Convention, we need to come together as one and make sure that the far left of the Democrat Party does not take over this country. Imagine a carbon tax, Medicaid abortions, huge tax increases, the end to our Constitution.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Come on, Robert. Explain yourself a little.
What issues matter most to you? They’re likely the same ones that Mormons, conservative Catholics, and many other traditional people hold dear.
Why do you think Huckabee is not under consideration for the VP spot?
My take is that McCain totally used your man (and you and your friends) Huckabee. “We’re so nice to each other,” they said as they ganged up on Mitt.
McCain simply used your guy in Iowa and anywhere with lots of evangelicals. As a result, John split the middle between Mitt and Huck. Your guy never had a chance. He did well with protestant Christians and badly with about everyone else. The polling was clear in every state.
There’s no reason to spin the past. Rush, O’Reilly, and others spell it out exactly as it happened. People madly went after Huck when he only got McCain the nomination. Come on, there’s no denying that religion played a role.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Look, I have not been to church since 2001. I have no room to criticize anyone’s religious beliefs, nor do I think anyone else has either. That is a personal choice and people are free to do as they please in that regard. I have not seen anyone on Huck’s Army or Huck PAC say anything negative about Mormons, let alone condone it.
My problem with Mitt Romney is that he changed his views on Guns, Abortion, Marriage, Immigration, and Taxes in 2006. All of them nearly at the same time in order to run as a Conservative Republican for President. I highly doubt that a 60 year old man suddenly changes his views on very core values and convictions that are this well timed. I just simply do not believe it and his behavior during the primaries just reinforces this for me.
As for bigotry, I am not sure how anyone can say Christians are bigots against Mormons. Something like 33% of Evangelicals voted for Mitt Romney compared to only about 38% voting for Mike Huckabee. While 98% of Mormons voted for Romney and no one else. Which one sounds more bigoted to you? Or do you think that 98% of Evangelicals should of voted for Romney too?
July 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Will someone WARN the evangelicals that Obama, not Romney is what they should be worried about.
Can someone take the time to explain (in extremely simple terms of course) to the ignorant evangelicals (not all, just the ignorant) that they have a whole lot more to worry about than a McCain-Romney ticket? With the Democrats already in charge on Capitol Hill, an Obama presidency is going to be a complete and utter disaster for those with conservative values.
Like Huckabee, they are obsessed with the Romney “problem” while something far worse and threatening is looming right before them!
July 29th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I am a Christian and I can honestly tell you that I already have a minister. I want the best person for VP, and that person is Mitt Romney. I will not vote for McCain if he does not choose Romney. That would show me that McCain lacks serious judgement.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Looks like the Def Con 3 alert for Pawlenty has been loweredaccording to my sources. COME ON. EVEN JEWS KNOW THAT HUCKABEE IS A JOKE.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Please be assured that evangelicals, at least the ones I know, are FULLY aware that Obama in the WH in the midst of this current progressive surge could do irreprable harm to the cultural issues of life and marriage that we care so much about.
Most of us are already prepared to support McCain no matter the choice. Our fear with Mitt is that he appeared to cave once to the progressive agenda in MA, and that he seems succeptible to changing his views with the polls.
I’m SCARED that he could do it again if God forbid McCain had to step down for health reasons in office. Get a few years of consistent social conservative record under the belt and it would be a different story.
I’m not sure how LDS members could even support him, just because he’s Mormon without looking at his record on the issues they care about. If I were Mormon, and I’d heard he’d said he’d do more for gay rights than Ted Kennedy, I’d be very uneasy. His near Obama/black support level of support from within that community smacks of identity rather than issue based politics. Even Huckabee only garnered a third of total evangelical support, despite efforts to paint him as the ‘evangelical’ candidate.Another third of the ‘bigots’ actually voted for Mitt.
That bigoted dog won’t hunt.
I don’t care if it’s not Mike for vp, I’ll still support him the next go round. But I do care that someone with a questionable record on the social issues is being pushed down our throats because the elites think he ‘looks’ the part and has money.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
This could be good. McCain does NOT have any love for evangelical leaders. It might amuse him to pick Romney and watch them go ballistic . . .
July 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Why is my comment awaiting moderation when one was approved after it?
You just proved my point. Identify politics. Is it that hard to debate the issues?
Not to bother.. I’ll just post the comment to the source article instead..where it will get broader coverage.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
While we are squabbling over Huckabee and Romney amongst ourselves, the defenseless voices of the unborn are crying out to be born. Let’s set aside our differences and move forward with what we can agree on: LIFE, and all get behind John McCain no matter WHO the VP is, as long as he is pro-life.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Same sex marriage: If you want a real example of a “RINO” republican governor, just compare and contrast the actions of Governor Romney and Governor Schwarzenegger. When both faced the same issue dumped on their laps by the courts:
Romney dusts off an obscure law to disallow same sex couples from other states to flock to MA and get married, testifies on capital hill for a federal amendment to the constitution, and spends the rest of his time in office lobbying the statehouse to pass an amendment to the state constitution.
Schwarzenegger states that he is not inclined to fight it, even though the voters have spoken.
Who’s the RINO here?
Granted, Huckabee “may” have been as staunch as Governor Romney if he had been faced with any real issues, unfortunately, in that regard, he’s more like Obama, all talk and no track record. But I have to believe that Huckabee and Romney are much closer than most will admit on this issue. So don’t believe the divisive spin (still coming from within our party, sheesh), Romney was all action, abiding by the law, but working till his last day in office trying to get the law changed. Unfortunately, there are too many Democrats in MA.
As for the rest of the conservative agenda, particularly matters fiscal, Huckabee pales to white compared to Governor Romney. Huck is a one note wonder.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Clearly some of the posters today are not from MA and are buying the “spin” without looking into the matter themselves. We need to do our own thinking, people. Don’t settle for vapid talking points passed along by your pastor, pundit or favorite talking head.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Debbi
Your wrong. Sorry to call you out on this - but your totally wrong. The day Mr. Huckabee releases his keynote address to the anti-mormon convention held in Salt Lake City, to Prove once and for all he is NOT a bigot, is the day I’ll agree with you. Until that day….
I’m waiting… tick, tick, tick.
Oh, and you might want to tell him he does not need to ‘viel’ his dispise of Romney so cleverly. We see through the fake smile.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I have consistently said that I was first for Huckabee and secondly opposed to other candidates because of their stances on the issues, including Romney. I was quoted briefly in the Jacksonville newspaper the day after Mitt made his faith speech back in December saying that his Mormon faith was not a factor in my thinking about Mitt Romney as a candidate for president: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/120707/met_223469812.shtml
As an administrator of Huck’s Army I can tell you that we do not condone slander, gossip, or attacks on someone’s faith. We will not allow our members to post personal attacks.
Also, many of the Huckabee supporters are Fair Tax supporters, some of whom are evangelical Christians, but many are not.
Regarding the issue of splitting votes, you can argue that from either side (i.e. your guy cost my guy votes).
Simply saying any opposition to Mitt Romney is Mormon bigotry is untrue and unfair for the overwhelming majority of Huckabee supporters.
Finally, Mike Huckabee is unashamed of his Christian faith so he answered all faith questions asked of him, but he did not make faith such a big issue, it was the media that kept harping on that.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am
How in the world could anyone support a candidate, who ran an anti-mormon” dishonest, unamerican and divisive” campain. On his own website, his children were going crazy saying”this cult has got to be put down, the mormon church is a afraud”. This was well known on this site. How can you support someone with such hate and jealousy? He followed McCains lead in lying about Romney, in saying he believed in a timetable, interesting now we see all the talk about timetables now. Long before Romney ran contrast adds Huckabee was going way below the belt. I will not vote if Romney is not VP. It will be McCain caving in to the anti Mormons, make no mistake about it. Romney is the best guy in every single way, including all the swing states. Mormons have got to wake up and realize we can’t keep getting kicked around like this. Abortion has been legal for some time now and I think it can stay that way a little longer, country deserves tougher times. By the way I thought the record breaking floods in Iowa and the 5 tornados that broke the day after Super Tuesday, ironically on all five states Huckabee won was interesting. Who knows, maybe the Lord ressurected the oldest man ever to be the nominee and knock Romney and Huckabee out, to qaurterback sneak Romney in. Thats actually my belief, but if by chance Romney is not chosen I will not vote. Actually, I’ll bet is that happen McCains health fails and Romney becomes nominee. Anyways, point is mormons have got send a message. Aaron
July 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Where are all these coming from? Suddenly we have all the angelic huck supporters over here? LOL. Yea, I’ll belive you when your guy releases his keynote address to the anti mormons. Oh, and it is about religion. You know it, I know it. Otherwise you would not be here on this blog!
July 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am
I’m also seeing a whole lot of boiler plate talking points here. Anyone else a little skecptial? I know I am. You know what they say in Arkansas…
Once burned, twice shy.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Tina, I see nothing with believing that gays are children of God and as far as goverment is concerned, they deserve rights, compassion, tolerance ect. We can’t just treat them like crap as the Mormons are treated by some. I strongly, strongly, disagree with there lifestyle, but they do deserve rights. You don’t reject your child and take all his blessings away if he is misguided, ecspecially that misguided. Don’t mistake what Romney said, obviously he believes in some tough love to. No one in this country stood up against the gay movement as Romney, in defense of family values and traditional marrige. The eveangelicals are so worried about an extremely pro american group as the mormons, when all kinds of other movements are threating this nation and this world and I believe it will bring Gods tough love upon us. I’m not really bitter and realize its not most eveangelicals. I actually like the odds my church faces and the opposition, but I believe mormons need to wake and send a message. I hope that makes my point. Aaron
July 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
By law, Utah (where huck got 3 votes, compared to the 90 percent for Romney and only 8 pecent for Obama and 2 for Hillary) must vote for Romney on first vote at convention. Screw us over and we delegates will not change our votes, sending this to convetion. Where Romney will win. Not a threat, but something you in ‘Hucksarmy” (a joke, right?) might want to consider?
July 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Ken, wait a minute here, Romney dropped out of the race a month before Romney. Huckabee had all the chance to get votes and prove himself. He could’nt get votes outside the eveangelical community. Please read the other comments I just posted, about Huckabees kid.
July 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I believe Nevada is the same as is Colorado. Can anyone check this?
July 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Aaron. My former husband is gay. (I have since remarried and have a wonderful husband and family). I saw first hand what this man went through. Is he any less a child of God than I am? In some ways, he’s more spiritual and connected to the gospel than I am, as he has been forced to spend countless nights on his knees asking what was ‘wrong’ with him. Finally, a kind and loving state president told us that our marriage would not work. BUT, so long as we both lived the law of Chasity in our lives, we would be blessed. I did and he has too. I have since remarried to a wonderful man who is my eternal companion. He has moved on and is a single man who lives alone and devotes his life to caring for others. He truly is an example of what the attonment is. Now, if the evanglais want to hurt him, they need to go through me first. I would die for that wonderful man, just as I would for my husband and family. They are simply myopic bigots, who don’t want the lable put on their sleeve, but hide it under their brown shirts.
July 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Tami–I too watched that last night. Huckabee, the hero of the antis, on Hannity and Colmes and the discussion of McCain’s VP came up. And Huckabee mentions everyone rumored to be on the list except Romney. Then the final pick from him was Pawlenty. He could not even bring himself to mention the guy largely rumored to be at the top of the short list. He could not speak the name Romney. Huck is the King, the Leader of the Anti-Romney/Anti-Mormons. Those antis are just doing his bidding.
I think it’s despicable. Its time for someone to stop just reporting on this hate and start calling them out for it. This is wrong on so many levels. But what does it say to millions of people worshipping in minority religions—that they have no seat at the table and that the freedom of America and self-governance extends to all but them. This is a message that should not stand but boldly be struck down. But who has the courage to take them on?
July 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Oh great, I just got banned from Huck’s Army for letting them know that I approved their comments, and thought they had a legitimate claim. I expected to be banned, but what is worse is that they deleted my comment, which was devoid of conflict. You try to help and be cordial and this is what happens?
Well, I’d like to give my fond fair well to Ken, GrannyT, Debbie, Debra, Linda, and especially Tina, not to mention all the rest at Huck’s Army. My banning notice says that I got banned for not being a Huckabee supporter. Not true. If he were the nominee I would be voting for him in November. If he is the VP nominee I will be actively promoting him over Obama. What is not healthy is this great animus between the two factions. I was only trying to help. But any hint of liking Romney AND Huckabee is I guess not allowed at HA. “Man cannot serve two masters…”
July 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
chris–let us not turn this into a debate on same sex marriage. The topic is religious bias in elections specifically, evangelical bias, and Mike Huckabee the embodiment of anti-mormonism. Please don’t go off on tangents.
July 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Chris my brother, I could’nt agree with you more. I really appreciate your loving and tolerant words, as well as your personal experience about gays. It’s in total harmony with Heavenly Fathers love and concern for these people, many of whom struggle for years. It reminds me of the Lords love for all of us. Keep in mind that not all gay people are the same. The human personality is endless. I do however believe way to many of them to be eroded of character and honesty, very careless and destructive. That is part of the reason gay marriage must be fought as well as Pornography. It’s desensitizing the rising generation, even more, that somehow it’s more normal and more normal and more normal. They do deserve rights many rights, I totally agree with Romney on that, but not the right to marry. Please check out my earlier comments. Mormons need to wake up. Aaron
July 29th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I just wanted to say on Hucksters interview last night. Did anyone notice his doubt about a northern strategy? Romney is to much in his thought process. The guy is obsessed with Romney. He commented that”inicated” McCain should pick a southernor and then turned around and said he would pick Pawlenty. I saw him the night before on Gialdo and he was still wining, that early in the primaries Fox was biased and that they had a favorite. Well he’s really talking about the VP deal, I could tell. This guy is something. Never once have I seen Romney wine or bitter. The guy was born for this stuff, right into a family of a dad who ran for Pres. He’s destined, I have no doubt. By the way, all this about Obamas inspiring story and McCains imprisonment in war”which I deeply respect”, Did’nt Romney die and come back on his mission in France. His own dad ran for Pres. and lost. First Mormon ever, I mean come on the looks like he was born to be Pres, as well as his personality. Also, we have pro american Pres. of France, who could of imagined all this. I think unlike Obamas who rose greatly and who’s fall will be great, Romney was tooken way down first and lowered expectations, before his astonishing rise. Will seee. Aaron
July 29th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Chris: My admiration for you grows… How admirable is your attitude. Thank you for sharing.
I think you are correct Chris in pointing out that other people’s choices can impact our lives in a large way and can cause damage and pain. I am truly sorry for all that you have had to endure. You have made wise, although difficult, choices.
Lori, I dont think she was on a tangent and she did not start that conversation as near as I can see. Please be kind.
For the record: I am a member of the Church of JESUS CHRIST and I do support Mitt Romney
July 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I hope Huck’s army sees this:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16365.html
July 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Lets be honest - on its own, the VP spot isn’t worth anything. Much, if not most, of the support for a particular candidate as VP comes from the desire to see said candidate as the nominee in 2012 - its a big part of why I want Romney, its a big part why many want Huckabee, its a big part of why a lot of people are pushing Jindal, Palin, etc.
anyway, the Veepstakes is going to be a big part of my radio show tmrw. feel free to tune in:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/act-cast
July 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Never has VP been more important, for so many reasons. First and foremost McCains age. Barrack Obama is going to lose this election, just wait.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Aaron. I’m female! It was my first husband that was gay. and this is not about same sex marriage. It is about bigotry if ALL forms.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Let’s face it folks… this is a time of economical crisis and the one VP contender who has a mountain credibility in that arena is Mitt Romney. Mitt made a living turning companies around.
Furthermore, whether the bigots out there like it or not, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (”mormons”) is one of the most influential orgranizations in our country when it comes to standing up for conservative principles like life, traditional marriage, etc. And when Mitt Romney governed, he did it conservatively defending life, traditional marriage, and balanced the budget without raising taxes.
Its shocking to me how thick the lenses of some of these religious bigots are. I have plenty of evangelical, Catholic, protestant, etc friends who are all huge Mitt fans here in MI. I keep expecting I’ll meet one of these anti-Romney so-called “conservatives”, but still haven’t. Honestly, I don’t think they’re a big factor. I think most people aren’t bigoted. Most people can see the good Gov Romney and his faith can do for our country.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Why should governor Huckabee mention Romney when he KNOWS the buzz floating around about MITT is caused by his multi-million dollar PR team and that McCain camp is not picking Mitt. The latest Ramsussen polls show Mitt still has the highest unfavorable ranking among any of the veep possiblities and he gives the ticket a minus 6. (Huckabee gives the ticket a plus 8 and Pawlenty a plus 1). My opinion, like Huck is that McCain will go with safe and boing Pawlenty, so it is time for Romney supporters to call a truce with us. Why would you expect Huckabee to mention Romney when Hannity shouts his praises on there constantly and touts Romney as already having won. How do you THINK that makes Huckabee feel when he is winning these polls and the media fails to report this? Would YOU mention Romney? Please, get real….
July 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Ok, I’m back, let me answer the questions posed to me:
“VELIO PEREZ Says:
ROBERT , WHAT ? ENDA ?
WHAT ISSUES ROBERT , PICK ONE AND EXPLAIN……..”
ENDA IS: http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/bpassmore/2007/dec/31/mitt_romney_flip_flop_or_slip_on_enda
It would force religious groups to hire people who were gay, etc even if that was against the religious beliefs of that organization. That is an assault on religious freedom and we have never protected behavior in hiring, only inherent qualities like race and gender.
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“Will someone WARN the evangelicals that Obama, not Romney is what they should be worried about.”
Obama is who the evangelicals are really worried about. Still, I think they have a right to express their opinion about Romney or anyone else.
Just like Romney supporter John does when he says, “I will not vote for McCain if he does not choose Romney.”
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“Granted, Huckabee “may” have been as staunch as Governor Romney if he had been faced with any real issues, unfortunately, in that regard, he’s more like Obama, all talk and no track record.”
Huckabee lead the passing of the state marriage amendment in that state. He also led the passing of pro-life laws there that make Arkansas pro-life if/when Roe v. Wade is overturned…now that is actually a record.
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“But I have to believe that Huckabee and Romney are much closer than most will admit on this issue.”
I agree. The differences are not so much of position but opinion about the candidate’s record and character.
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Also, I think it is fair for a person to not believe Mormonism is a doctrinally accurate Christian faith without being a bigot. A bigot is someone who does not TOLERATE the faith of others. Calling on Mormons to be arrested or move because they were Mormon would be bigoted. Not voting for a candidate only because he was Mormon would be bigoted as well. So let remember this. There is a difference between not tolerating a faith and not accepting it as true. I have some great Mormon friends here in California and love them but that doesn’t mean I accept their faith as my own.
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“Oh, and it is about religion. You know it, I know it. Otherwise you would not be here on this blog!”
We are here because we want to make peace. At least that is why I am here. You don’t have to vote for Huckabee and I don’t have to vote for Romney…that is ok but let’s at least be civil and loving and actually try to understand each other.
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“Not a threat, but something you in ‘Hucksarmy” (a joke, right?) might want to consider?”
HucksArmy is real…go to http://HucksArmy.com
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“Nate Gunderson Says:
Oh great, I just got banned from Huck’s Army for letting them know that I approved their comments, and thought they had a legitimate claim. I expected to be banned, but what is worse is that they deleted my comment, which was devoid of conflict. You try to help and be cordial and this is what happens?”
The forum is a Huckabee supporter forum as in they supported Huckabee in the primary and/or which they had. Unless I am wrong, this description does not fit you. It is nothing against you. You are free to comment on any blogs of any of our members. We don’t run an official blog.
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“The topic is religious bias in elections specifically, evangelical bias, and Mike Huckabee the embodiment of anti-mormonism.”
I know that you may not like Huckabee and think he is anti-mormon and that is something you can take up with him. What Huckabee supporters (and we are not all evangelicals…although about 60% of us are) wanted to communicate is that WE as supporters are not anti-mormon no matter what you may think of Mike.
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Many of the reasons why I did not vote for Romney as economic. He did not support the FairTax and I found his economic record troubling as seen in the articles below.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/29/romneys-massachusetts-health-plan-could-hurt-vp-chances/?mod=googlenews_wsj
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/07/29/romneys_economic_record/
Please understand these are issues of substance to me. I don’t consider an economic record a person’s faith…I think it is fair game. You can defend Romney’s record but please don’t call me a bigot or something that I am not. Thanks for your time and consideration and God Bless America.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
” McCain does NOT have any love for evangelical leaders”
I hope your comment is not true, because if it is, McCAin is not going to win. Evangelicals and born again Christians make up 40% of the population.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
To the comment at top of the page on Mitt’s flips.
1-abortion
2-gay marriage
3-gun control
4-Ronald Reagam endorsement/didnt support or vote for Regan, in fact was an independent during that time.
5-said he believes every word of the Bible but also believes in evolution–not possible….
6-said he never accused McCain of offering amnesty, then had to recant when two of his tv ads aired.
7–said he marched and his dad markched with MLK, then had to recant when it was proved to be false statement.
8–said he was a avid hunter, then had to admit he had only hunted twice in his life.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
It will be interesting to see of McCain will cave to the pressure of those who support an empty-headed prejudice. It will serve to speak volumes about the man, and how he could be pressured as President.
The media-manufactured maverick seems to be drifting towards the Far Right. What’s next? Will they have him denounce the pope?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I think the evangelicals who are bigoted are “little” as in small in number and very “noisy”
July 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
First visit to your blog.
The comments by the Huckabee supporters are too funny. It certainly IS the Huckabee supporters that are anti-Romney. Remember, Huckabee did little better than split the evangelical vote with McCain and Romney but they most certainly are the ones threatening not to vote if Romney is on the ticket. They have the gall to now come and say this does not represent them?? At least they could try and be honest. And their venom towards Roimney is simply irrational (its not like Romney attempted to belittle THEIR faith!). Hard not to believe their is not anti-mormonism involved — hard to otherwise explainit.
If I thought there was any chance Huck would be picked I would be actively campaigning against him in response to the actions of Huck and his supporters. Simply no longer worth the time and he has no shot. If McCain lost his mind and surprised by picking him, I would do everything I could to defeat that ticket in the battlegound states. Most hateful people I have ever encountered are Hucksters.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
As a born again, evangelical Christian - I can honestly say the Mitt Romney is the absolute best choice. As a matter of fact, Mitt should be on top of the ticket!
Our entire lives, as Christians, we’ve been told to watch out for Mormons — what are they going to do — are they waiting for their big break, and then they’re gonna pounce on us?
Anti-Mitts have been drinking the anti-Mormon Kool-Aid and if they’re not nuts, then they are paralyzed with fear! They must be concerned about losing something — power or money, one could imagine.
Mitt Romney is the most decent man around in politics today. Our country would benefit greatly from this wonderful man who has 5 wonderful children (what a wonderful advocate for families), a wife who loves and cherishes him (this is a big deal), is a successful entrepreneur (one of the toughest jobs around - requires skill, creativity, stamina and guts), and understands the basic principles and values of conservatism and republican ideals (which is what conservative republicans are looking for, right?). The alternatives to Romney are simply not acceptable. Jeb Bush would have been my 2nd choice - but another Bush, just like another Clinton, is not gonna happen at this time.
What needs to happen is that everyone needs to realize that once people get to know Mitt Romney, they will like him. If people can vote for John McCain — they will certainly receive a big bonus with Mitt Romney as VP. People are scared, just like you might be, of voting for a Mormon — plain and simple. So what they need is an opportunity to get to know and see for themselves how good someone like Mitt Romney can be for them.
I can think of no better ambassador for the United States of America than Mitt Romney! Words that describe him are: Clean & Articulate! (Joe Biden should be proud) Intelligent! Class! Entrepreneurial Spirit! Wit! Common Sense! Style! American! Internationally Friendly! Family Friendly! Congenial! Charm! Considerate! Experience! Complimentary! Enthusiastic! Positive! Not to mention Fun, Boyish, Manly & Handsome!
I was already crushed once when Romney suspended his campaign early on, now I am awaiting a McCain/Romney announcement with breathless anticipation - checkbook in hand - pen ready to write out campaign donation checks the moment the announcement is made!
Appleton, WI
July 29th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Come on, let’s all get honest here. How did Huckabee come from nowhere to wipe Mitt out in Iowa? He was brought in to bring Romney down, and it worked, because the media jumped on board, and helped tear him down. So let’s not pretend that it had nothing to do with religion. It had everything to do with religion. No Huck supporter even has to mention the word “Mormon” because it already is a given. I hate to make this analogy, but it is appropriate: did the Nazi supporters in Germany have to say they were Jew haters? No. It was just a given. “Flip-flop Romney” is code for “I hate Mormons.” The reason I know this is because McCain flips on some issue or other at least once a month, and nobody cares. If Pawlenty ends up on the ticket, it will only be to keep the evangelicals on board, but guess what? He may win them over, but he will have lost me. Adios McCain.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Those evangelicals who want to get into a spitting contest over who is truly Christian . . . may I remind them that the Catholic Church is the original Christian church, founded by Jesus himself.
As a Roman Catholic, I am very proud of this, However, it doesn’t preclude me from voting for the best people for our representative republic. I would vote for someone who worships a stick in the backyard, as long as he or she shares my political beliefs and doesn’t want to blow up my family or any of my countrymen. As Jesus said, “render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s (in this case, our political system); and to God what is God’s.
Also, as a Roman Catholic, I feel a lot of empathy with Mormons. We share so many conservative values. Sadly, our religions are looked down upon very much by a thankfully small # (but noisy group) of evangelicals. I wish those who feel this way would look at what we all have in common, rather than what makes us different.
We have a very difficult task in November: defeating th most liberal person in the US Senate with a frightening and naiive view of the world - a man who will have no problem appointing Supreme Court justices in the mold of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, John Paul Stevens, and Stephen Breyer.
The left is LOVING this infighting, believe me. It sure gives them a lot of hope for November.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I have a sister who is a born again Christian ordained minister. I have a Catholic mom and brother, an LDS dad (like me) a sister who ascribes to no religion at all and a gaggle of half siblings who are all also members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. Why do I say this? Probably because everyone of them in their varied walks of religiosity have already voted for Mitt and would again if he was to get the vp nod. Smart people recognize value and virtue where ever it is found.
Mitt is a good Christian man. He loves God and Christ. He has many values and virtues. I pray all can stop the spin machine against him and recognize these virtues and values.
Thanks to all for you thought provoking posts. Generally speaking, thanks for keeping it civil.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Joe is right. Most people are not bigoted and recognize good, qualified people when they see them. There are unbiased, good people in every religion — unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing for every religion’s leaders. The cancer among the evangelicals is found among some of their leaders (not all or even most). Bigotry is alive and well in this country due to these so-called “Christian” leaders that disavow a solid condervative candidate like Romney becase they would never vote for a Mormon. I’m sickened by this mentality. They would rather see Obama win than a McCain-Romney ticket, which would a allow a far more liberal president to win who will push our country farther away from tradional family vlues. Mormons and their leaders would have no problem voting for an indivual of any religion as long as they were the best candidate. I’m saddened to see that this is not the case among some of our country’s Evangelical leaders and that is BIGOTED! Remember, I am not referring to most good Evangelicals and their respective good leaders — I’m talking about a handful of loud Evangelical leaders who are truly motivated by their own evil bigoted tendencies. Romney is by far the best choise for VP and he embodies the conservative / Republican movement better that anyone else out there. I would have no problems with Huckabee if he wasn’t bigoted. Yes, he will point to flip flopping or various reasons as to why he doesn’t like Romney but that is absolute bunk because there is not 1 perfect candidate out there who has not ever changed their mind on anything. Romney is conservative enough to be the leader of all of those who espouse traditional “right” values and guess what?? — he could actually win! He has the “winable” factor that cannot be ignored. Huckster does not. McCain without Romney does not. C’mon fellow conservatives and traditionalists!! Let’s rally for Romney because he’s the best candidate who can actually help McCain win — not because of his religion.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Interesting from Jim Geraghty of National Review online:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/
JOHN MCCAIN, MITT ROMNEY
Pawlenty or Romney?
The individual who told me yesterday that he had heard McCain’s pick is coming soon, and that it was Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, now tells me that McCain’s list is down to Pawlenty or Mitt Romney.
I urge readers to take this with the requisite caution. Neither man’s schedule has had any last-minute changes or cancellations, which to me is a leading sign of an announcement being lined up. Pawlenty is still scheduled to speak before the American Legislative Exchange Council tomorrow, and Romney is on vacation in New Hampshire until next week. (Or so the media is told.) He’s also scheduled to attend the Olympics Opening Ceremonies in Beijing.)
07/29 03:55 PM
July 29th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Mitt should have a prominent position in a McCain administration, but should not be offered the VP spot. He has no record to stand on since he was a liberal/moderate in Massachusetts, has flipped on many positions, and his Mormonism is a real issue for many Christians…not just evalgelicals. I know many Christians that would not vote for a Mormon, an atheist, or a Scientologist. Rather than take the McCain ship down with him, Romney should make a Shermanesque statement about how he would not accept the VP spot. Such a show of character would endear him to his enemies and secure him a good seat in the cabinet.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I can’t believe the things that I’m reading on here. I’m shocked how backwards many of you people are. If there was ever an election where cultural values should mean absolutely nothing it’s this one.
The next POTUS has enough to worry about with the economy, the deficit, two wars and the restoration of this country’s reputation in the world.
Now is not the time to worry about ENDA, Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell and same-sex marriages. Those are issues that are being used to distract us from the things that are most important right now.
I don’t care what religion Mitt Romney is. I will not hold anyone responsible for something they were born into the same way I’m not mad at him because he was born rich.
I will not vote for John McCain no matter what. I like Mitt but it’s easier to go down the list of things that McCain hasn’t flilpped on then vice-versa.
He’s changed his stance on abortion, same-sex marriage, immigration, social security,talking to terrorist organizations, timetables in Iraq. He even converted recently from Episcopalian to Baptist just to get the southern vote. Let’s not forget he left his wife before they were divorced. He even flip flops on women!
Wasn’t McCain a member of the Keating five?
He didn’t stand up to GWB eight years ago when false allegations were made about having a black love child. John McCain has done nothing over the last 25 years that leads me to believe he can be a good president.
I’m voting for Barack Obama because he understands the big picture. He will surround himself with the most qualified people instead of cronies like his would-be predecessor did.
This country has been destroyed over the past 8 years and that’s reason enough to vote the other party.
Nobody can tell me that they are better off today than they were 8 years ago.
I no longer wish to affiliate myself with a party that cares more about the religion of a politician than they do about who is best for this country.
The RNC has managed to use the money of it’s wealthiest members, the ignorance of it’s poorest members, the naiveté of it’s religious members and Fox News to convince us that the world will end if we elect a Democrat.
I’m sorry but if insanity is, in fact, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, then I’m going to save myself from insanity this one time and vote for someone who cares more about his children’s future than he does about his corporate sugar daddies.
Obama ‘08 (still not a Muslim)
Yes we can!
July 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
The number one issue in the Bill of Rights is Freedom of Religion. The number one reason we have been such a great country is because of that key point of understanding from the Founding Fathers of this Nation.
If it is true that some Christians supporting Huckabee are “warning” against Romney being VP then they are only being successful at putting themselves in a barrel…again. Easy pickings when people show such contempt and bigotry for some one else’s faith. They aren’t doing their cause much good.
Christians should be researching and thinking for themselves instead of listening to Preachers from the pulpit that are only protecting their Flock and income from leaving.
When one searches out Christianity do they ask an Atheist or a Muslim? Like wise when researching Mormonism does one research only negative perspectives, or do you ask people that are living the faith?
Selective reasoning is Outdated.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
A few other things:
I’m from a hugely conservative Roman Catholic family, have a # of evangelical friends, and come from a very conservative part of Florida (Ft Myers/Cape Coral/Naples).
- My family in Florida voted en masse for Mitt in the primary - including my independent-thinking, 75-year-old father who refused to vote for Kennedy in 1960 and got a lot of grief from his family for not voting for the first Irish-Catholic president. Dad prefered to vote on Kennedy’s politics and what was good for the country versus the religious identification. He feels the same way today about Mitt. He has voted in every presidential election since 1956 but has declared he will not vote McCain without Mitt.
- 3 of my sisters, who have been living in Boston for the last 12 years and so are in a real position to judge, love Mitt and they all voted for him in the Mass primary. And they are as hardcore conservative as anyone I know.
- Just about all evangelicals I know voted for Mitt in the primaries, including an evangelical pastor.
- Mitt won the SW Florida area overwhelmingly in the primary.
- My daughter’s boyfriend - a 25-year-old Unitarian and a huge New York liberal who attended a liberal Boston university for 5 years - lives in Virginia and says he will vote for McCain only if Mitt is on the ticket, or he will vote for Obama. He agrees with Mitt on virtually nothing except his economic savvy.
An interestingly diverse group of people, wouldn’t you say?
If some evangelicals couldn’t vote for McCain if Mitt’s on the ticket because of his Mormonism, that’ sad.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Christian Wilson, as I commented yesterday, I agree with your point, supra. I actually think Mitt Romney’s religious background could work as a plus vis a vis independent and middle-of-the-road voters: at least in terms of MSM-formed perceptions, it differentiates McCain from President Bush, who is viewed as being to closely aligned with the “religious right.”
July 29th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
may I remind them that the Catholic Church is the original Christian church, founded by Jesus himself.
And, uh, where do we read that Jesus founded the catholic church? Our modern day political-religion battles dont really hold a candle to Constantine’s creation of church and state.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Bottom line , Romney is a Mormon and a lot of BIGOTS are not going to vote for him because of it. How come all of these BIGOTS are Huckabee supporters ?
hmmmmmmm…………..
July 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
“Brian Says:
July 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
First visit to your blog.
The comments by the Huckabee supporters are too funny. It certainly IS the Huckabee supporters that are anti-Romney. Remember, Huckabee did little better than split the evangelical vote with McCain and Romney but they most certainly are the ones threatening not to vote if Romney is on the ticket. They have the gall to now come and say this does not represent them?? At least they could try and be honest. And their venom towards Roimney is simply irrational (its not like Romney attempted to belittle THEIR faith!). Hard not to believe their is not anti-mormonism involved — hard to otherwise explainit.
If I thought there was any chance Huck would be picked I would be actively campaigning against him in response to the actions of Huck and his supporters. Simply no longer worth the time and he has no shot. If McCain lost his mind and surprised by picking him, I would do everything I could to defeat that ticket in the battlegound states. Most hateful people I have ever encountered are Hucksters.”
You are doing exactly what you criticize. You criticize Huckabee supporters for “irrationally” not supporting Romney when if you read the comments Huckabee supporters have given at least 10 different reasons.
“If I thought there was any chance Huck would be picked I would be actively campaigning against him in response to the actions of Huck and his supporters.”
So it is ok for you to actively campaign against Huckabee if he is on the ticket yet it is not ok for Huckabee supporters to not want to vote for Mitt?
It seems to me like evangelicals are ONLY not bigots when the vote for Romney which over 25% did in the primary yet Mormons voted over 95% for Romney and I am not calling Mormons bigots. Nobody is. Voting for someone does not make you a bigot, it comes down the reason why and as long as you believe that Huckabee supporters are “irrational” you will never believe anything they say.
Please be open to dialogue and understanding…
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“How did Huckabee come from nowhere to wipe Mitt out in Iowa? He was brought in to bring Romney down, and it worked, because the media jumped on board, and helped tear him down.”
Huckabee won Iowa because average Americans worked hard to get the message out. Who brought Huckabee in?
“ Flip-flop Romney” is code for “I hate Mormons.”
If you choose to twist every word I say, nothing I write could ever be good enough for you.
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“Joe is right. Most people are not bigoted and recognize good, qualified people when they see them. There are unbiased, good people in every religion — unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing for every religion’s leaders. The cancer among the evangelicals is found among some of their leaders (not all or even most). Bigotry is alive and well in this country due to these so-called “Christian” leaders that disavow a solid condervative candidate like Romney becase they would never vote for a Mormon.”
Remember the Christian leaders did not say that they would not vote for Romney. You made that up. They just said they sent a letter suggestion Huckabee and made clear that it was not a demand.
Remember last fall when Mitt was talking about how many evalgelial leaders were supporting him and Huckabee and very few Evangelical leaders supporting him? Huckabee was made my grassroots individuals…not Christian leaders.
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“I know many Christians that would not vote for a Mormon, an atheist, or a Scientologist.”
That is sad. I would vote for a Muslim if I thought they were the best to lead.
Huckabee even said that he would vote for a atheist over a Christian who was not solid in his positions like Obama.
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PS – Evangelicals is a really, really broad term that basically means Christians who believe in Jesus and place a strong emphasis on the New Testament Gospel.
Evangelicals are ALL over the place so let’s remember this and not label anybody.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I briefly entertained the possibility of voting for Huckabee in the primaries but as I got to know him I saw that his campaign attempted to appeal to people on religious grounds (not to mention I don’t agree with his positions on the issues). His dislike of Mormonism became more and more obvious (I was made aware of his speech in Salt Lake City and Jesus/Satan brothers comment, etc.) and he would bring it up at times when it was, in my view, totally off topic. As a mormon I can tell when people are joking about me — its happened my whole life. Huckabee sounded just like every other “Christian” friend I have had that decided to tell me what he thought about mormons (and they are usually good people they just secretly think I’m in cult). He had virtually no support outside of those he could reach through his pastor/church network (which in my view is a shameful abuse of religious authority). Romney had much wider support (LDS people are much less numerous than are evangelicals so they do not account for his support), a much better platform, and it was clear that he thought his reasoning could stand on its own merits and success instead claims to being one of a religious community (i.e. Hucks “Christian” leader ad, etc.). The study at Vanderbilt that suggested that the flip-flop charge was largely used as a cover for religious disagreements rings so true to me. It may have underestimated the numbers in my opinion. The fact that Romney did get a sizable portion of evangelical voters just goes to show his wide, secular appeal to those willing to honestly consider him. It also demonstrates that not all (or even most) evangelicals are anti-mormon.
The flip-flopping charge is really getting old and it bothers me that so many are still buying in to it. It only sticks because it is so simple-minded (as is extreme religious dogmatism). Unfortunately, with the way that many perceive the LDS church many are already predisposed to distrust a\ practicing LDS person (that is if they don’t know them personally) and so the flip-flopping charge can be easily used to convince the ignorant and the intellectually lazy. Listen to his words and you realize the reason it stuck so well is because he was clearly intellectually superior to the sound-bite driven media types (”a fee is not a tax, if it were a tax it would be called a tax”).
If you adjust your position when vital circumstances change it is not a flip-flop. On the contrary, it is a sign that your position is actually rooted in facts (the circumstances) instead of on “gut feelings” or personal extrapolations of vague religious doctrines. In fact, if one understands clearly what the facts are and what your principles are — as Romney does — it actually allows you a great degree of principled compromise because you understand exactly what you can change without compromising what is vital. THIS HAS ROMNEY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT (perhaps even McCain to a lesser degree). In fact, this is a necessity in order to successfully lead a state like MA (and he was successful) let alone the country.
As for those “Christians” who resist anyone achieving success who does not share their particular faith they have ruined the good name of both conservatism and religion and I am tired of defending myself against those liberals or non-religious folks who assume I’m as close minded and ignorant.
I would be very impressed and gain a lot of respect if Huckabee had the political courage to give his own “Faith in America” speech and specifically address the religious bigotry (that he supposedly rejects) against Mormons. Unfortunately very unlikely.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
To Robert and the other Huckabee supporters:
I agree with Chris that I find it amusing that we have Huckabee supporters claiming the article is not true. And as much as I would have debated you in the past, I find I no longer have the energy or desire as I do not believe there is much of a chance that Huck gets picked.
I have debated many Huckabee supporters over the months under the name of “Bags” but am now taking a break. My only comment to you is that Huckabee made what may turn out to be a politically fatal mistake when he attempted to belittle Romney’s faith in his effort to win Iowa. Certain evangelicals are making another big mistake in the way they are, in the eyes of many, making war with the mormons (boy, doesn’t that sound melodramatic — like I said, I need a break).
bags
July 29th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
July 29th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Why do you assume people who like Romney are biggots??? We are not! My support for Mike Huckabee and dislike of Romney have nothing to do with religion. I am not an evangelical — and I DETEST ROMNEY!!!! My husband is an athiest and he think’s Romney is the Poster Child for the “Evil Republican”. Our Friend is a Muslim and he lead a community group for Huckabee. Huckabee had a broad appeal, yet Mitt Romney supporters, continue to say it was only Evangelicals who supported Mike — not true. Exit polls showed that Huckabee only received 1/3 of the Evangelical vote — so who were all those other voters supporting Mike???
My POOR OPINION OF ROMNEY is based on Romney’s lack of character and ability to say anything to get elected. The fact that Romney had to pay so much $$$ to gain so little popularity means the General Public did not like him! A simple fact. So, why is he trying to blame this on Huckabee. It appears to me that it is the Romney supporters who are bigoted against Evangelicals.
As for me, I tried very hard to like Mitt. He appeared so presidential, so polished, so successful, etc. I really wanted to like him — but, the more I saw of his record, and the more I saw him disparage his competitors during the primary, well, I was sickened!
By the way, I live in MI and I do not know what he has done for this state — other than LEAVE!
I can honestly say that if Mitt is on the ticket with McCain that I will find it hard, if not impossible to vote for him. Not because he’s a Morman — I don’t care what his faith is — I did marry an athiest after all — it’s just a non issue for me.
But, Character counts — and I do not like Mitt’s Character. I do not want this man to have his finger on a nuclear weapon!
July 29th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
You said you don’t like his character Liz, though you never cited any of his cons.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I love the charcter of Mitt Romney.
Apart from the political things he has accomlished, he is extremely philanthropic. He has paid for some kids that are not part of his family to go to school. He has financially aided several young people who wanted to go on missions. When it snowed, he was the first one out with his snow shovel to the elderly. He has removed tree stumps and done many more acts of charity and sevice. For all of his adult life, he has served in the Church he belongs to and the country he loves.
All that and more on top of trying to protect marriage being between a man and a woman, working to save the unborn from cruel practices resulting in their death, being strong on border security and governing as a conservative.
Well, give me that kind of character everytime please. I wish there were more Mitt Romneys out there.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Alright folks, admit it, your dislike for Huckabee is that he is a threat to Romney’s future run for the presidency. You can wish it away, minimize it, or lie about it but the fact is, Mike Huckabee came from a thrid tier to the front and foremost person who was called the most interesting person to surface this year on the GOP side. He was in Time magazines 100 favorites of 2008 and had a higher positive rating there than Obama, Hillary or even McCain. Romney was not even on there… I’m not saying you shouldn’t support your guy, but lying about Huckabee’s success in the primary is not going to make it any less real. What I don’t understand, is you keep trying to talk him down for vp and he is not even being discussed. So, aren’t you wasting your breath here? Or do you think Maybe McCain’s camp has a big koo up their sleeves????
July 29th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
* Human Events about 2 years ago had a list of top 10 Rinos –Romney was at the top of this list. Human Events is well respected by Conservatives — it is not an Evanglical publication, yet they felt Romney was a RINO. I agree with their assessment and believe this is a major Character Flaw.
* Unfortunatley, Romney reminds me of the Republican version of Bill Clinton. Clinton said whatever suited him. Whatever gained favor with the masses. I see this character trait in Romney. What the Clinton years taught me was that CHARACTER MATTERS!!
Believe me, I tried to like him — I gave it months, I just couldn’t!
* I disliked his flip flop on Abortion.
* I disliked his threat to fire the clerks who refused to issue Same Sex Marriage Licenses. I watched Romney on YouTube, during his debate with Ted Kennedy. Romney was more Left than Kennedy!!!
* I disliked his Health Care Plan.
* I disliked the fact that there appears to be a bias in the Conservative Media outlets that Clear Channel owns. And, you can say that he’s off the board now. Great! My dad sat on the Board of a Hospital — so did all his buddies. Just because Romney’s not on the board anymore does not mean that his FRIENDS no longer exert influence over their media employees. And, I found the media bias against Huckabee to be offensive. Hannity announced that Huckabee pulled out of the Florida race, while he did everything but wave a Romney banner on his show — oops — just a little error on Sean’s part — ya right!
* Finally, I found Romney and his supporters to be very mean spirited. For example, all this Evangelical Slamming. I subscribe to the Huckabee blogs — I do not see Mormon-bashing on those sites. And, I do not see Romney’s faith being brought up as a reason not to support him. What is brought up is Romney’s Record.
When I read Romney’s supporters comments stating that Evangelicals won’t vote for Mitt because he’s a Mormon, I equate that to saying the reason people won’t vote for Obama is because he’s black. That’s nonsense. The reason people will not vote for Obama or Mitt is because of their political beliefs.
While I am a Strong Economic Conservative and a Strong Military Supporter, I believe we must vote for Social Conservatives. Otherwise we will simply be electing Strong and Powerful politicians without a social conscience. That’s potentially the worst outcome available.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
So linda R. It’ ‘us’ that is in the wrong? Oh geez. Hey, tell your guy to release the anti-mormon keynote address he gave in Salt Lake. Then we’ll talke ‘truce’.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I would like for you to cite this top ten RINO from Human Events.
First off, he only flipped on abortion.
Governor Romney was doing his job. He disagreed with giving same-sex folks licenses but was made to by the Democratic legislature
It wasn’t completely his Health Care plan. The Democrats in the legislature bloated it with unnecessary addendums. You think Romney would be able to pass the Health Care bill without Democrats adding unnecessary add-ons?
Well its because Mike Huckabee doesn’t have any states he can bring in and can’t raise as much money as Governor Romney can.
You cannot deny the fact that several Evangelicals won’t vote for Mitt because he is Mormon and you can’t deny the fact that some people won’t vote for Obama because he’s black.
You kind of showed your own hypocrisy when you say that Romney supporters are very mean spirited. Not all Romney supporters are mean spirited just as not all Huckabee supporters are anti-Mormon.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
My poor opinion of huckabee stems from:
1. faiure to release his keynote address at the Salt Lake Anti-mormon convention sponsored by his faith.
2. In silence when Mitt was being raked over the coals about his religion.
3. the ‘I’m only one with a degree n theology (a lie).
4. My negative ad, that I’m too darn good to show, but here, just to prove I have it, I’ll show it to you all anyway. But please, don’t broadcast it! (oh, please,more free press).
5. His idiot comments.
6. His release of prisionors because they found Jesus in prision.
7. Yesterdays bob dole comment
8. Obama assisnation joke.
9. His family.
10. Oh, there’s so much more. But my time is limited.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Linda, you are too much. You come on a Romney site and accuse us of talking down Huck?? And want to know why you think we are wasting our breath — on a Romney site?
Where to begin.
It is Hucksters that take out newspaper adds trying to intimidate and threaten the party’s nominee not to select Romney. It is Hucksters that regularly post anti-Romney articles on Realclearpolitics.com (mostly just rehashed stuff from the primary). It is the folks at Huckabee Alliance who reach back to try and dig up the controvery between Romney and McCain. Could easily go on. You really have the nerve to come on a Romney site and want to know why we talk down Huck as VP??
While I am new to this site, the few Romney sites I have visited seemed to have very little traffic and very little anti-other candidate talk. As you know from the Huck sites, it is about all they do. give it a rest and feel free to go back to the Huckabee Alliance — all 12 members.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
STOP USING POLLS, THIS IS NOT ABOUT NATIONAL POLLS, ITS ABOUT A HANDFULL OF KEY STAES AND THERE IN ROMNEY CAN HELP MCCAIN BETTER THAN ANYONE. HUCKABEE SUPPORTERS NEED TO GET OFF THIS SITE. OH AND YES I DO FEAR HUCKABEE AND THAT HE IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO ROMNEY AND HIS FUTURE, SO WHAT. EVERYBODY KNOWS THE GUY IS LEADING A MOVEMENT OF HATE, TOTALLY IN HARMONY WITH DEVILS NATURE. AARON
July 29th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Linda,
There is only one Huckabee site that comes to mind when I think about anti-mormon comments. That was mikehuckabee.com. I saw things posted a number of times regarding mormons being unfit for office-ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE. I so wish that I had documented it. I had planned to be the site was closed when it became the (egocentric) huckpac.
I have only seen about 3 instances where things were said on Huck’s Army about mormons, and was greatly astonished that they were instantly renounced.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
CHRIS, YOU ARE ON THE MONEY ABOUT HUCKABEE. REMEMBER ALSO IN THAT AD THERE WAS SOME LIES TO. YES, THE ADD WERE HE PULLED THAT, BECAUSE NOBODY REALLY LIKED HIM ENOUGH TO DONATE TO HIS CAMPAIN. IT WAS ABOUT THE 50 DOLLAR CO PAY, HAVING TO DO WITH ROMNEY. HE SAID ROMNEY PUT THAT IN THE BILL. NO, THE BLUEST LEGISLATURE IN THE COUNTRY FORCED THAT IN THE BILL. HE IS AN ALL OUT LIER AND ROMNEY IS NOT AARON
July 29th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
HUCKABEE AND SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE BECOME A LITTLE MORE CONCIOUS AND I GUESS DETERMINED, TO HIDE THE ANTI MORMON. THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND CONSPIRACY, WITH HIM AND OTHER LEADERS SECRETLY STIRRING THIS ANTI MORMON AND THEY DON’T WANT IT TO BE TO CLEAR. i KNEW THIS WOULD GET OUT OF CONTROL, WITH THE KNEW WASHINGTON TIMES READ, ON EVANGELICALS SAY NO TO ROMNEY. OH BUT YOU CAN PICK SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS FALLEN SHORT, BUT NOT ROMNEY. MAYBE ITS TIME GOOD EVANGELICALS THINK ABOUT JOINING MORMON CHURCH, TO SEND MESSAGE TO THERE DISORGANIZED LEADERSHIP. IT IS A GREAT CHURCH TO BE IN, BECAUSE ITS TRUE. I STRONGLY SUGGEST AT LEAST SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING GOING A FEW TIMES. EVANGELICAL LEADERS WOULD HATE THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Dear Steve Andrew,
You asked about the Human Events site that listed the top 10 Rinos. Romney was 8th on the list. Here’s the link: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=11129&keywords=top+10+rinos
1. Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R.I.)
Once approached by Democratic Leader Harry Reid to switch parties, Chafee has long supported liberal policies. He backs legal abortion, gay rights, federal-funded health care, strict environmental protections and a higher minimum wage. Opposes ANWR drilling. Also was the only Republican in Congress not to endorse the President’s reelection and one of three who tried to gut Bush’s tax cuts.
2. Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine)
A self-described “centrist,” Snowe scored a 100% pro-choice voting record as scored by NARAL and consistently votes with Democrats on social issues.
3. Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.)
“Snarlin’ Arlen” warned Bush not to nominate judges who might overturn Roe v. Wade, joined Chaffee reducing tax cuts and supported Democrats on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, HMO and overtime regulation. Also opposed school choice in Washington, D.C.
4. Sen. Susan Collins (Maine)
Voted with liberals on the 1999 tax cut, campaign finance reform and the partial-birth abortion ban. Also advocated “pay-as-you-go” tax cuts with spending increases in 2004, leading to a budget never agreed upon between the House and Senate.
5. Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.)
He led the House fight for McCain-Feingold campaign finance “reform.” He’s also prone to back environmental causes, gun control and abortion rights. He had no GOP challenger in 2004, but narrowly escaped defeat, 52% to 48%, by a Democratic opponent in the general election.
6. Gov. George Pataki (N.Y.)
Helped unions raise pay and unionize Indian casinos. Has said, “I believe in a limited government, low taxes, a tough approach to crime. … But I also believe in an activist government. I’m not one of those laissez-faire types.”
7. Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (N.Y.)
Over the course of his 23-year career, he’s gained considerable power (chairman of the Science Committee), despite amassing one of the most liberal voting records of any House Republican. Fought back conservative challengers in 2000 and 2002 and could face a GOP challenge in ’06.
8. Gov. Mitt Romney (Mass.)
Has said, “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” Supports civil unions and stringent gun laws. After visiting Houston, he criticized the city’s aesthetics, saying, “This is what happens when you don’t have zoning.”
9. Rep. Michael Castle (Del.)
As president of the moderate Republican Main Street Partnership and key player in the so-called Tuesday Group lunches, he is a ring-leader of RINOs. He’s teamed with Democrats to make federal funding of embryonic stem cell research one of his top priorities.
10. Rep. Jim Leach (Iowa)
One of only six House Republicans to vote against the Iraq War resolution in 2002, he was also the only Republican to vote against President Bush’s 2003 tax cuts. His support for environmental causes and abortion rights has won him liberal fans.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Huckabee is of little threat to Romney. Huckabee will remain in mediocrity until the next serious primary, and then he will lose again. Probably to Mitt.
You can check all the blogs from Romney sites at PlanetRomney.org There are mentions of Huckabee every so often, some of them being comments against Huckabee. BUT, over at Hucks Army they seem obsessed with their hatred of Romney. I think it’s a very unhealthy hatred. I might go so far as to say it’s an un-christian amount of hatred.
My point: it seems that the Huckabites seem a lot more concerned about Romney ruining their chances for a Huckabee presidency than vice-versa.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Liz,
Just because one media source said it doesn’t make it true. I know you Huckabee supporters say that what all the conservative media have been saying for the last seven months about Romney being the best conservative choice is not true.
Are we being selective in which arguments we choose to believe based solely on who it’s about? I noticed on HA they tend to believe ANYTHING negative about Romney, rebut anything good. Is that intellectual honesty. No. It’s a bunch lemmings with their heads buried in the sand.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I admit, i seiously dislike Huckabee and any decent and reasonable person would understand. It has nothing to do with being evangelical. A sliver of evangelicals, with loud voices hate Romney for being Mormon. Ok maybe a little more than sliver. Many evangelicals I love, including our current Pres., who many think is incompetent, but Mormons have stuck with him. Huckabee should be more fully exposed for what he is” The cowardliest politician ever” This persecution towards ones religion can hurt. Romney however is solid as a rock. Allways upbeat and full of light in his countenance, unlike Obama or Huck, who don’t look truly happy. Thats why they both try so hard to charm and smile, because when there not smiling, they bitter. Romneys very soul and being is lit up with light and goodness. AARON
July 29th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
“HUCKABEE AND SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE BECOME A LITTLE MORE CONCIOUS AND I GUESS DETERMINED, TO HIDE THE ANTI MORMON. THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND CONSPIRACY, WITH HIM AND OTHER LEADERS SECRETLY STIRRING THIS ANTI MORMON AND THEY DON’T WANT IT TO BE TO CLEAR.”
Talk like this doesn’t help anybody. Vague accusations keep those guilty from being called out and those innocent are lumped in with those that are guilty.
I can tell you, any anti-Mormon comments at HucksArmy are shut down. We don’t want a religious war, we want what is best for this country.
I can tell you that we do not put our anti-Mormon stories…it is the media that stirs it up…this story writer NEVER contacted the top Huckabee grassroots site in writing his story.
“BUT, over at Hucks Army they seem obsessed with their hatred of Romney.”
We don’t hate Romney. If you want to think of us as haters then I can’t change your mind, we just are not sold on his record or actions just like you aren’t on Huckabee.
“I might go so far as to say it’s an un-christian amount of hatred.”
I don’t want to bring religious judgement into this…HucksArmy is not a Christian site. It is a political site so religious judgetment in saying “un-christian” does not make a lot of sense when many of our members are not Christians.
I just ask that we be civil and not name-call each other. And if we have a beef then be specific instead of say…those Huckabee People or those Romney People.
If you don’t like Huck then complain about him. If you think Huckabee is a bigot then say that but don’t say all his supporters are, that is just unfair. That is what we are trying to point out.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Maybe your right and some of you don’t hate Romney, but Mr. Focus On The Family James Dobson is afraid of loosing clout, even more than he allready has. He wants to own the family issue and Romney and the even more attention it would bring to the Mormon Chuch and how solid it is on family values, would be a blow to him. Not to mention he’s allready basically said what church someone goes to matters. No doubt he is secretly anti mormon, if not somewhat openly. Also it’s been clear to any reasonable any decent minded person Huckabee is annti mormon. As far as I’m concerned it’s religious bigotry, destined to haunt some evangelicals. How you could not be more understanding and even fiercly defending mormons, as the big brothers you shuold be, I not certain. Alot of Huck supporters are anti mormon, I’ve meet them. Huckabee and the movement he is misguiding desrves to exposed. I’m sorry but thats the way it is and that is exactly what is happening nation wide AARON
July 29th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Liz:
Mitt Romney has flipped on abortion.
He chooses civil unions only if gay marriage is the other option. He opposes both though.
Stringent gun laws? You ought to read my post entitled ‘Divided We Fail’
July 29th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Robert,
I’m going to have to disagree with you on 3 items.
1- I received stern warnings from moderators about defending Romney when someone said something bad about mormonism. It sure did seem to me that I was the only one who cared about the slander.
2- There are MANY at HA that are absolutely hateful towards Romney. Don’t make me list names because I can find dozens of them.
3- I agree with the no name-calling. BUT, I tried to post a similar sentiment at HA and got rebuffed by other posters. I was told the defending Romney was not allowed and that feelings towards him run deep at Huck’s Army. There is vast amounts of name calling going on there as well. I would comment to ask people to refrain but I’m not allowed.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Guys, lets not reduce the pointing out of the facts about Huck and many who are like minded to calling it name calling. Sounds like some are playing the look like the more Christian person, when it’s clear some of them are condecsending. That is not christlike at all. I respect many evangelicals, but this is hurtful and serious buisness. Let’s call alot of it what is” cowardess and bigoted”. More evangelicals need to start speaking out against this more forcefully. It is religious snubbing and persecution. Let’s not discredit everything we say and say it’s not. ABSOLEUTELY LUDICROUS” It was’nt Romney and his supporters and still is’nt, stuping to low levels of pettiness. Everyone should be calling this out and as far as I’m concerned, my fellow Mormons need to wake up. Get serious and start some movement. Some have position and resources to do that. You loose the Mormon vote, you loose the election, simple as that. AARON
July 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
One more point, is’nt that what we do sometimes with the Dems, or any enemy we might have. This very principle will be taken into account, in who would be better VP”Pawlenty or Romney” Clearly Romney is the tougher guy, willing to get a little dirty. I’m sure he’ll be respectfull, but the man can be very straight forward, as we saw in the primaries. People are’nt looking for a sissy, there looking for someone tuff, but evedently a good strong man. Romney is both, human flaws he may have. AARON
July 30th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Wow. All the double talk. Sure there are those who pray and speak of God supporting Governor Huckabee and I am sure Romney. I know there is too prayer warriors supporting McCain. Obama? Well that tis a bit of a Unitarian question isn’t it, Mala.
However, the campaign of Huckabee was solid on issues and was built on the precept of the Vertical approach. To that end, we disciplined ourselves to avoid being the mudd throwers, but we vetted each attack and each truth of negative of the opposition. Romney ended up with a 29 page website with all negative truth. He was vetted and found vastly incompetent. Sorry, but that is the truth and it has not a thing to do with his Faith, Family or Mitt personally.
When a few did sound off on Mormon as a cult, I would not let it happen. I stopped it where I could. I did know some of Mormons in my neighborhood and it was all good. I spoke with their missionaries and enjoyed their faith. After the big media splash of Romney being a Mormon and making an issue of it, I went to some Mormon leaders and found out that their faith is based on the same foundation as any true Christian, the BLOOD. Fact is the Mormon Church is very much family oriented and they help each other with home projects. It is a well knit organization. The bottom line is not one Church has cornered the entire truth or they would be walking on water wouldn’t they. Enough of the Mormon attacks please. Huckabee never once made any negative remark of Mormons, only those mad cause Romney could not make the grade with all that money sem to bring it up again and again.
Now let’s get over the fact of the VP pick. McCain is picking who will be the best for getting him elected and if it is Huckabee because of his loyalty in the bible belt, so be it. If it is Pawlenty for whatever reason, so be it. We need to accept that McCain is our Chief of Family values and fiscal Federalism. By the way, if you have not looked deep into the Fair Tax Plan and found it great, then you are far from a fiscal conservative.
But we know how Mitt will play out for the Party and it is not good with all the unvetted truths, the main one being the Washington GOP insiders want him bad and a lot of people are fed up with Washington elites. They had a chance and they ended up failing, the Shadow Knows.
Incidently, Romney ran the most vial primary campaign I have ever seen within one’s own party for President. To say that Romney is a tough guy, without scruples is a for sure andas far as strong, how do you tell the girl who is all tore up from having one of Romney’s $50.00 abortion. How about the labor union that lost their jobs cause Mitt found it advantagious to buy out their Factory to sell for parts? Why is it necessary for Mitt to stand again when he had to sit down before, due to his being unable to vet himslef as a conservative. I like Mitt, but not as a leader. He reminds me too much of Bill Clinton.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:13 am
RGeorgeDUnn-
If you think this was the most negative campaign ever within a party you must not be very old. If you are old then you must have a short memory.
Don’t spread lies about “Romney’s $50 abortions”. You are either intellectually lazy, or just dishonest. Perhaps you should read what Romney has to say about the abortion laws in MA, it would be brand new to you. Instead you just repeat the same talking points given to you by MassResistance and that Camenker guy, who is in my mind, one of the biggest buffoons to walk the earth.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:34 am
I hope Mitt goes all the way with McCain. I’m appalled to see all over the internet today the announcement that a lot of evangelicals big wig’s (not all)wont vote for McCain if he picks Mitt, and encouraging their followers to follow suit. All this because he is not the same religion as them. Funny how they feel they are such great Christian examples themselves but are really standing in Judgment of their fellow man as the Bible says not to. Infact they are calling Mitt a non-Christian. I hope Mitt gets in so he can lay his hand on the Bible (WHICH HE BELIEVES IN AND TRYS TO LIVE BY) to take the oath of office, then they will finally see what a great CHRISTIAN man Mitt really is. I’ve never understood somebody having the gull to call another person a non-Christian. In Mitt’s religion they are not even allowed to put down any other religion from their pulpits or talk negatively about others belief in their meetings. They don’t tare down others religions. It’s too bad many fellow Christians (not all) spend so much time tearing down the beliefs of others, and they do it from their pulpits. What does a person’s religion have anyway with an Election. Besides, he’s not running for Pope. Wasn’t this country founded on religious freedom? He would be the VP for us Americans. Not VP for God!
July 30th, 2008 at 12:45 am
RGeorgeDunn:
You think, quote - Governor Romney was
“vetted and found vastly incompetent. Sorry, but that is the truth and it has not a thing to do with his Faith, Family or Mitt personally.”
Incompetent? In what aspect? You do know this man was in charge of a billion-dollar company?
I really appreciate you standing up for whats right and dispelling any myths about Romney’s religion and life. Though I can’t understand what you’re trying to say in the last paragraph.
July 30th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Nate, explain yourself better. Do you believe Huckabee when he said Romney through that $50 abortion in the bill, or do you believe the facts that the Legislature through that in. Oh and by the way, Huckabee did’nt run won of the most unamerican, dishonest campains ever? Are you serious? Were you not paying close attention? Yes, there have been many corrupt campains. Come on do you think I’m dum. This kind of extreme unreasoning capacity you have on this point, causes me to not take you seriosly on anything. Also to those against Romney. I have no problem with it, if you have a good case for it, but everything I’m hearing is lies, exagerations and a real lack of abilty to be reasonable. It’s allmost like the anti Romneys are trying to look dum. We no of watergate and other scandals, including no doubt, those secret combinations unknown, but to run attack and persecute the sacred beliefs so many hold dear, to run a dishonest campain that represented everything this country stands against” The Land Of The Free And Home The Brave, The United States Of America” shows you don’t have a deep and abiding vision of the whole picture” the entire picture” I’m stunned, your not recognizing the pure cowardess of Hucks campain. This is a real turning point in the religious landscape of this country. Some of the evangelicals are ruining it for others and I gaurantee this is turning point. Evangelicals need to come out more forcefully and consistently and reject this religious persecution and self righteousness. This is not good for them in the near future and twenrt years down the road, there allready declining in activity and this disgusting the hell out many millions of americans. Stand on principle and not all this evangelical”emotional” talking points. Not that its bad to have feelings, but it’s clear to all, there no self control. I know it’s not most evangelicals, but lets be honest, it’s not catholics. One more unreasonable comment from people that are making them and I’ll just skip what you say. Huckabee is a true mormon bigot and everybody knows it. AARON
July 30th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Huckabee could not get any support outside the evangelcal community and no one would donate to his campain. Well for the most part, remember he was the one wining constantly and still is. I’ve never seen the giant Romney bitter, or wine once, I think this says volumes about his stunning personality. Compare Romneys campain to Hucks or the early front runner”Rudy The Famous Mayor” and clearly Romney ran an extremely good campain, ecspecially when you take into account that he faced the worst odds ever and still is, simply for the VP. I personallt believe God will soften McCains heart and if McCain does’nt pick Romney, then his health will fai, Romney will be nominee and americans will choose Romney over Obama.
July 30th, 2008 at 1:25 am
How do you tell the families about Huckabees clemecies, which were clearly his choice and then to have these rapist killers, turn around and murder people, as to were the $50 dollar abortion thing Romney was against. The bluest state legislature put that in the bill, so it’s time for people to either stop lying, or buying the lies. You can find a change in position with every politician, or imperfect human traits, but some of the ridiculous lies and claims against Romney come across as though these people are trying to look dum. Think for your self and stop following the lies of your leaders and Romneys enemies. After all, who is the author of lies? Certainly not God. AARON
July 30th, 2008 at 1:44 am
George Dunn, I’m sorry,but you are so off it’s unbelievable. At least make your opinions come across as a little more reasonable and fair. It’s so far out there and wrong in the facts, it’s impossible not to conclude there all out lies. Well we know they are and as far as Romneys contrast adds get over it. It would be one thing if your claims had merut, merit is nowhere to be found. Romney was going out of his way to concoct lies about Huckabee. That was Huckabee, who by the way was hitting ROMNEY way below the belt Romney and way before Romneys gentle contrast adds. Remember that was Huckabee and McCain lying, knowingly, that ROMNEY believed in timetables. Not that Romnet can’t get a litle political and do the dance, but my friend, clearly this is the floppy or flimsy character people should be wary of. A Christian Baptist Preacher making lie after lie about Romney. If a mormon was going this far I would never support him, eveidently some of you guys don’t and will say and do anything to diminish Mitt Romney, a great patriotic american, born to be Pres. Keep in mind he was reported dead on his Mission in france, to his dad, who running for Pres. You guys are going to have to get over this Romney hate and to some of you this mormon, cause man is gonna suceed. AARON
July 30th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Since this whole discussion has been spurred by the article indicating that evangelicals are resistant to voting for a Mormon on the ticket I think it’s kind of ridiculous for some to come on here and argue that religion has nothing to do with it.
For all those that just disagree with Romney’s politics this debate has nothing to do with you. If you can’t buy his change of heart on the abortion issue, that’s certainly why we each get to use our own judgement to vote. If you find the way he governed a seriously liberal state to have included too many compromises, I can’t fault you for your concerns.
But, here’s my beef. In our household we were pretty excited when Huckabee started coming out of obscurity with the fair tax. We love the fair tax. My brother is friends with Mitt’s brother-in-law but we were trying to give all the candidates a fair hearing. After all, you don’t just vote for someone because you know someone who’s a member of their family. That would be lame.
Now, did RGeorgeDunn actually type that Huckabee didn’t say anything against Mormonism? What?!?!?!?!? That’s completely nuts! He was extremely clear about his disdain for the religion! Now, maybe someone who’s not particularly interested in the evangelical’s stand against Mormonism wouldn’t have noticed this. But, we were flabbergasted with his incidious comments…. little digs…. acting stupid, like he didn’t know why people were upset.
Then he accused Romney of running a hateful campaign when Romney’s ads never had personal digs in them. He merely showed how the candidates differed on issues. How is that hateful? I never did understand that criticism. In fact, I really believe McCain used Huckabee to push this perception to deflect his own exposure.
So, I looked on the Huckabee website to see if I could gain clarity on how his disdain for Mormonism might affect him as president. And as another person previously mentioned there were many references to the unacceptability of a Mormon president. At that point I came to the conclusion that Huckabee hated Mormonism so much that he’d rather toss the election to McCain… a guy that doesn’t share nearly as much with him as Romney does. It comletely blew my mind. It was at this point that I knew I couldn’t vote for Huckabee. I don’t mind if he thinks Mormonism is a cult. He’s entitled to his opinion. But, I do mind that he thinks Romney should be blocked because of it. It would be like not voting for a Muslim or Jew or Scientologist just because they have religions many think are really odd…. even if you agreed with them more than the other candidates. Even if you believed them to of good general character.
I don’t begin to know where Huckabee supporters fall when it comes to the anti-Mormon sentiment. But, Huckabee has been clear on his own personal stance and James Dobson has also revealed his position.
When my brother was making phone calls in San Diego for the Romney campaign he told us that he was very discouraged by the number of people he talked to that stated they couldn’t vote for Romney because of his religion and instead were supporting Huckabee.
I think I’ll address the often referenced statistic about Utah’s 90%ish support of Romney. I read a blog that said this was proof of the cult mentalitity of Mormons. But in reality they weren’t going… “Hey, gee, it’s a Mormon like me, let’s vote for him!” Because of our unusually widespread adherence to set standards we expect certain things from one another. We know something about each other. We know what covenants a person has made and has to answer to God for. You could say that’s true in any religon. But we think there aren’t many other religions that ask so much of their members? We expect each other to be honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, charitable, not smoke, drink, or swear. We expect each other to pay an honest (10%) tithe. We expect each other to dress particularly modestly. We expect each other to do all these things even when no one’s looking. We expect these things not because we need to please each other. We expect these things because if someone believes… it will show in everything about them.
Now, that doesn’t mean we don’t have some dirty, rotten, scoundrels amongst us. After all, we’re all still just sinners blessed by redemption. But, like I said before, we know something about each other.
And don’t underestimate the power of a people feeling picked on. If I felt like Huckabee had particular bigotry about Mormonism, you can bet the citizens of Utah felt it! Even if they loved the fair tax idea, they weren’t going to be too keen on voting for someone that didn’t believe they had just as much qualification to hold office.
July 30th, 2008 at 3:46 am
Lorena:
Thank you for your coherent, well thought out, organized post.
Bottom line, religion should not be a factor when voting.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:15 am
Steve,
I like your concise analysis!
July 30th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Lorena,
You clearly articulated how you see things. I am an evangelical Christian and so disagree with the teachings of the Mormon faith but I have known many Mormons who were good people and I believe that everyone should be free to believe and practice what they believe to be true.
What I do want to ask though is where did Mike Huckabee slam Mormonism. I have been following Mike Huckabee closely for more than a year and I have never heard or seen anything like that from him. Was it him specifically or some of his supporters? Can you provide any documentation on that?
If there is specific evidence that you can provide, that would be a hard pill to swallow but I am open to seeing any proof of your claims. I certainly never saw anything like that on his site: http://www.mikehuckabee.com
July 30th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Aaron, what we have here is an attempt to remove the loyalty of one for his choice of candidate, which is so rooted that facts but get in the way. To go through the vetting process again has no fruit for it. The choice of who will be VP is up to Senator McCain and he knows the truth.
What is important at this hour is, that we come together in what we hold in common and protect that foundation. Of course the social issues to me are immovable and in need of full support, Sanctity of Life & Marriage. Another immovable is the Difference between being a Nationalist for big government and a Federalist, for near unanimous State Sovereignty as quoted in the U.S. Constitution.
The warning within the Declaration of Independence clearly has stated to what despotism we are facing. As you remember, when the Republicans finally got hold of the Congress and had the Whitehouse too, they did nothing but that which is Nationalist, Porked out. Obviously, they either have not read the Constitution or don’t care. To this end we need to support Federalism unwaveringly.
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Nate, Don’t wish to debate the merits or flaws. Sorry I brought any up. As to not remembering a primary in which the candidates acted so, I really don’t. Ever since Reagan mandated a political commandment, “Do not attack your fellow Republican”, it has been rather peaceful in that regard.
Governor Huckabee holds to the belief that even in battlement with the other Party, one needs to stay centered on the issues and to not get into personal attacks or the Mudd of distorting the truth, which is Lying. This is what we all need to adhere to. Let us hope that it becomes a shoe that fits.
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Lorena, Governor Huckabee spoke to the Mormon Faith in one off the record question and it blew up into a media Mudd sling to which those who wanted a reason to dislike Huckabee could now and for those who have been misinformed of the majority of the Mormon Faith to find bias. These are but a few people, all with personal reasons for their shortcoming.
You have reminded me of how the old Soviet Polit Bureau was very good at controlling the thinking of the populous. So too the Media, who feared Huckabee, being from the Grassroots, did their best to defeat him. You too must have seen their actions and still do today. They made the Mormon bias and they made those who get their feeding from the short news hour bias.
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As to Governor Huckabee being Evangelical, that word has become a word that has been misconstrued and is very much under attack of bigotry and slander, isn’t it. For one, Huckabee is a Baptist and they are not Evangelical. Just as the Catholics are not Evangelical, neither are the Baptist, Methodist, any other outreaching Christian Denomination. However, in the true definition of the word Evangelical, Gov. Huckabee is and so are any of their Faith that bring out that Jesus is the Christ.
Second, as to why Huckabee did not win, it is clear that Senator Thompson did a hatchet job on Huckabee in South Carolina and had that not happened, Mike may have not lost by 3% and would most likely be the Nominated candidate. Governor Huckabee, with a very frugal campaign chest, came from nowhere and won many States. Had not the News Media got on the surrender your vote to McCain, Mike may have won. Nope, Mike was moving across every divide, to include the fiscal conservative secularist who admired his support of the Fair Tax and his stand on Federalism and the Border.
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Odds are in four years, we will be back to a campaign between Mitt and Mike. Until then let us sheaf our swords with each other and put our backs together to win this one for McCain. What say you?
July 30th, 2008 at 10:04 am
I used to like Mike Huckabee very much, until that December press conference, where he talked about his tacky commercial, “I won’t show it, but if I were to show it, here’s what it is.” So much doublespeak. THAT caught my attention. That seemed very underhanded.
That interview, when the reporter asked Huckabee about the Mormon faith, he said something to the effect of “Oh, I don’t know anything about it, ” then as an aside, “Don’t Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?” THAT was sleazy, and certainly came across as an intentional smear on Mitt Romney and his fellow Mormons.
His record in Arkansas concerning known killers and how that girl was killed after Huckabee interceded with the Arkansas parole board to let that killer loose . . . that is a matter of good judgment and he showed none.
His attacks on Mitt in the debates while figuratively in a love fest for McCain, were very obvious to anyone who watched and was honest with him- or herself.
His sorry jab at Obama at the NRA convention made him look ridiculous.
His opinion the other night on Hannity and Colmes when asked about who was being considered at McCain’s VP while deliberately leaving out thename of Mitt Romney reeked of jealousy and pettiness.
I’ve lost all respect I ever had for the man.
July 30th, 2008 at 10:09 am
In Utah we kind of trust the guy after what he did for the Olympics…Mormon or non-mormon. (The fact that Salt Lake can’t elect a republican for mayor gives that idea even more credence.)
July 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Great article, by the way:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_10036449
July 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Do you remember why HUCKABEE was #6 on Judicial Watch’s list of the TEN MOST WANTED CORRUPT POLITICIANS OF 2007? “Huckabee’s career has been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office. And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.”
In 2006, when Huckabee was governor of Arkansas the Cato Institute gave him an “F” on his term for several reasons; chief among them “insisting on raising taxes at almost every turn throughout his final term.” The article notes that Huckabee was the only presidential candidate AGAINST school choice. See: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8838
In 2006, the Club for Growth revealed the habitual tax-hiking of Huckabee: He signed a three cent gas tax increase in 1999, called for a state sales tax hike in 200, signed a 25-cent cigarette tax hike in 2003, allowed a major tax hike package to pass in 2004. He increased spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004. (Tax and spending info provided by Americans for Tax Reform)
During his years as governor, Huckabee granted clemency to convicted criminals an average of about once every four days. (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3976341)
FLIP – FLOPPER Huckabee pushed for in-state college tuition breaks and scholarships for illegals. http://myclob.pbwiki.com/Huckabee+Lies Now, he claims he’s all for controlling the borders and ousting illegals. FLIP-FLOPPER Huckabee supported a federal smoking ban and now no longer supports it. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/15/pandermania-huckabee-no-longer-supports-federal-smoking-ban/
How about Huckabee’s negative ad against Romney that was cleared to air - didn’t air - but aired for the press? And Huckabee’s Christmas ad with the floating cross? Ed Rollins, former Huckabee campaign manager, has admitted that the “floating cross” and “negative ad that wasn’t” etc., WERE ALL REALLY PLOYS TO GET FREE MEDIA - which means that HUCKABEE WAS LYING ALL ALONG. (http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/news/huckabees_notsodivine_intervention_84634.asp?c=rss)
What about Mike’s bigoted statements about Romney’s religion? (too many sources to list…) What about the open letter advertisement to Senator McCain by Huckabee supporters warning him not to choose Romney for VP and their NoMittforVP website ? http://www.govnotgod.org/pdfs/NoMittPrescottAZ.pdf Huckabee admits having received an email about it before it was published but claims he had nothing to do with it. Huckabee also said of the anti-Romney ad that he “has no position on it one way or the other.” Many believe Huckabee had a finger in this ad. Huckabee’s post-primary comments that he didn’t try to “buy the presidency and that’s a good thing” are still meant to smear Romney. He just can’t give it up.
Mitt Romney SHARES the same conservative values as evangelicals. His ACTIONS have proven it. Romney can help our crippled nation economically. His very life is one long list of accomplishments – of DOING. ROMNEY IS A GOOD MAN AND WANTS TO HELP OUR CONSERVATIVE CAUSE. HE’S ON THE SAME SIDE AS EVANGELICALS. We need him as Veep for many reasons.: to rectify wasteful government spending, set us on the right track for energy independence, eliminate titanic trade deficits, do away with ineffective federal bureaucracies, streamline current federal programs so we actually GET what we pay for, help grow small businesses, encourage off-shore companies to return to the states, close our gaping open-gate borders, clean up our public debt to China and Japan, and do something about our devalued U.S. dollar that cheapens U.S. assets.
How many times have we heard that government is inefficient and should be run like a business? The United States is in grave financial straits. With Romney, McCain has a chance to place in Washington a guy with REAL business acumen whose lifetime of results prove it.
July 30th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I hope Mitt goes all the way with McCain. I’m appalled to see all over the internet today the announcement that a lot of evangelicals big wig’s wont vote for McCain if he picks Mitt, and encouraging their followers to follow suit. All this because he is not the same religion as them. Funny how they feel they are such great Christian examples themselves but are really standing in Judgment of their fellow man as the Bible says not to. Infact they are calling Mitt a non-Christian. I hope Mitt gets in so he can lay his hand on the Bible (WHICH HE BELIEVES IN AND TRYS TO LIVE BY) to take the oath of office, then they will finally see what a great CHRISTIAN man Mitt really is. I’ve never understood somebody having the gull to call another person a non-Christian. In Mitt’s religion they are not even allowed to put down any other religion from their pulpits or talk negatively about others belief in their meetings. They don’t tare down others religions. It’s too bad many fellow Christians spend so much time tearing down the beliefs of others, and they do it from their pulpits. What does a person’s religion have anyway with an Election. Besides, he’s not running for Pope. Wasn’t this country founded on religious freedom? He would be the VP for us Americans. Not VP for God!
July 30th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
ENOUGH!!!…Defeating the Enemy - A Trucker’s Perspective
7-30-08
Dear Senator McCain,
ENOUGH!!! We need to send a warning and constructive notice to The Enemy!!!
As a 50 yr. old, Catholic (my last name is Bishop), Social Conservative, family first (after God) then country, Christian believer, and, yes, a Mike Huckabee supporter…we need to unite as People of Faith in order to defeat BARACK OBAMA!
My real-life perspective as a truck driver who interacts with people everywhere across this nation, is I have come to realize the importance of each of us accepting each other for who we are and what we believe. We don’t need to compromise our own personal faith to accept another’s. Like a Truck Driver who works and lives with all the diverse people of our country, as President, you too, Sen. McCain, will be a President for ALL the people. We now have to come together to make you our next President!
What could possibly unite a country with different beliefs and faiths? How about issues that matter most to us–the Sanctity of Human Life, from birth to death, the Preservation of Marriage between one man and one woman! This election could change those things forever! Catholics, Mormons, LDS, Baptists, Evangelicals, Born-Agains, Protestants, Church of God, Methodists, Lutherans, Mennonites, Pentecostals, Reformers, Amish, anybody and everybody who I left out of this list and who believes in God, and in the right kind of “change” for this country…We are in a BATTLE for this Country and need to claim victory in taking it back in the right direction!!!
Our Enemy is Satan who seeks to DIVIDE US, DEFEAT US, and DISTRACT US. Let’s tell him together: “We are all united…we will focus on issues of COUNTRY and MORALITY…and not on the different ways we choose to practice our faith, and as of this moment, for the sake of our country…WE ARE UNITED!!!
We will stand together, hand in hand, with a singular purpose that will tear down the dividing walls of labels and name-calling, like using “bigots” or “misguided” or even “un-informed”… because of our differences in how we believe. We will look to the bigger picture of ISSUES and the candidate that stands for our values to UNITE US in this election! We hereby proclaim to the World, The Media, and to The Enemy…”AS OF THIS MOMENT IN TIME…NO MORE DIVISION, WE ARE UNITED!!!”
I pray, “Lord, our God, I pray for You to let us move on in unity on issues and morality to preserve this country…to defeat the spiritual powers that seek to influence, deceive, and divide us, and that will take this country in the wrong direction!!! Thank You Lord, for hearing my prayer and granting it in Your name!!! AMEN”
A Truck Driver from Michigan, Randy Bishop
P.S. We are all Americans, and I Love all of You, …and know that (God forbid) if I get in a really bad accident, while out here on the highways of our nation,…I’ll be praying to the same God that created this Nation and each one of us, and it’s the same God that Sen. McCain prayed to every hour he was held captive in Vietnam!!!
July 30th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Nice letter Debi. It sounds to me RGeorge has his ears sewn shut, he doesn’t want to hear anything!
July 30th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
While there may have been some buried religious sentiment that kept some away from Romney in favor of Huckabee another difference I recall was Huck’s antagonism towards the rich and successful (paining Romney as the evil businessman). Inciting distrust and ill feelings towards those that are wealthy is not limited to Huck and his followers though. It is a class-warfare tactic usually employed by the left. Believe me I am not by any means rich (I’m a student) but this really turned me off. Unfortunately, many believe that if you are a rich, successful businessman you must be untrustworthy and greedy (as opposed to extremely capable) and this also galvanized against Romney.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I wasn’t aware that Southern Baptists don’t consider themselves to be evangelicals. I thought my friend that’s Southern Baptist considered herself to be an evangelical. So, I’m sorry if I’m misrepresenting them. But, nevermind what you call the group that’s stirring up this belief that Romney can’t be in office because of his faith. The press is calling them evangelicals.
To answer the question about whether Huckabee slammed Mormonism, the telling comments began before his infamous question about Jesus and Satan being brothers. Now, I’m pretty thick-skinned. I understand lots of the ideas that go on out there. I usually don’t take offense to any question that someone might ask me. But, I do know when I’m being baited. And I can smell political disingenuousness a mile away. We were happily watching Huckabee on one of those political shows and suddenly BOOM he does this thing that just seemed like a dig.
Here’s the Washington Posts’ report on it:
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What could be called “The Huckabee Moment” occurred Sunday morning when ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked the former Arkansas governor, suddenly and ominously the front-runner in Iowa’s GOP contest, whether Mitt Romney is a Christian. Mike Huckabee knew precisely what was being asked of him, and he also knew, because he is a preacher, what the right — not the clever, mind you — answer should be. But Huckabee merely smiled that wonderful smile of his and punted…..
The reason I started with Stephanopoulos is that he provided the perfect opportunity for Huckabee to make some ringing statement in support of religious tolerance. He might have made some reference to the ugly anti-Catholic campaigns run against Al Smith (1928) and John F. Kennedy (1960) and how they had both been spearheaded by prominent members of the Protestant clergy, Methodist Bishop Adna Leonard in the former’s case, the renowned Norman Vincent Peale in the latter’s. (Peale later went on to receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom from Ronald Reagan.) In other words, Huckabee might have preached. Instead, he said Romney had to answer for himself the question of whether he’s a Christian. As for the TV commercial Huckabee is running in Iowa that opens by proclaiming him a “Christian leader,” he said this is just because that’s what he is — not, mind, you, the former governor of a nearby state or even a weight-loss guru. But as he well knew, it is not his surprisingly moderate record as governor of Arkansas that so attracts Iowa’s conservative Christian voters, it’s his obdurate and narrow-minded religious beliefs.
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Now, I hate the Posts’ viewpoint. Let’s face it they’re liberal and love to drive a wedge between conservatives. But, this was the first place I could find the quote of that interview.
Essentially, the look on his face and his sidestepping answer just ticked me off. If he would’ve answered what he really believes –that Mormonism isn’t Christian– I think I would’ve at least respected him for just admitting it. But, he said Romney had to answer that for himself, leaving the audience to draw the conclusion that he didn’t believe Mormonism is Christian, but that he’s too much a gentleman to say. Ughhh! So, after that I was suspicious of his motives in the way he worded lots of things. And it seemed that he was sending out little reminder messages to evangelicals that they couldn’t trust this non-Christian guy. That’s why when he asked that question a few weeks later I was so angry. I don’t mind answering that question anytime, anywhere. But, there was only one reason he could ask that…. it’s one of the tools that anti-Mormons use to get people riled up. And he already knew his answer when he asked the question. As much as he’d like to claim ignorance I just can’t believe it. He’d have to be the most ignorant person to be the keynote speaker at a conference where literature was handed out detailing this very thing and not know anything about it.
Then when he did that ad thing where he was too good a person to air it I wasn’t surprised. It confirmed my suspicion that he knew how to do a “hit and run” where he comes out looking like he’s so innocent.
But, the real point to all this is to point out that this kind of prejudice holds no place when we need to get McCain elected. RGeorgeDunn is actually on board when he said:
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What is important at this hour is, that we come together in what we hold in common and protect that foundation. Of course the social issues to me are immovable and in need of full support, Sanctity of Life & Marriage. Another immovable is the Difference between being a Nationalist for big government and a Federalist, for near unanimous State Sovereignty as quoted in the U.S. Constitution.
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July 30th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Will some people stop this lovey dubby talk, that it is “now time for us to come together”. This very talk shows that people don’t fully understand the injustice of the persecution and disrespect toward mormons and that probably goes for some mormons. Not even minority religious groups from other countries “that moved here” would have people go this far against them, without a bunch of outcry from many. Ohhh but it is far more exceptable when it is a mormon. A very pro american group! I’m not saying there would’nt be any or alot of prejudice and bigotry toward other groups, but there would be a point were people say no more. Some of the evangelicas hate and in my opinion jealous towards mormons and would like to stop the progress of the Mormon Church. May I throw in that thats not going to happen. How bad would it be to have Barrack as Pres. for four years. Yes, I belive he’ll take this country down a destructive path, but maybe thats good for a season. Theres one reason and one reason McCain is nominee and not Romney. People it’s anti mormon and thers one reason and one reason alone McCain won’t pick Romney and that is caving in the huge conspiracy to stop a mormon from getting near the Presidency. The reason I say, is because behind the scenes it’s bigger than the Washington article. At least in terms of the people, letters, ect trying to manipulate McCain. Maybe McCain is the right person, at the right time, to choose the right man, who is getting some fierce opposition. I personally am a optimist and belive it’s meant to be for Romney to be picked, but I think people need to deepen there perspective, ecspecially mormons. Can’t keep getting bullied around like this, but maybe I need to exercise more faith, that th Lord is going before and will defend his Church. I’m sorry for my grammer, I know it’s not good, but I belive my points are good and not allways in the norm, which is also good for others minds to come in contact with. AARON
July 31st, 2008 at 12:26 am
Aaron. Can’t agree more. I will go further and say that it is now time to purge the party of the right wing bigots. It is time the United States had this conversation over and done with. Were here, we’re grown, and we don’t hurt anyone. In fact, we help. I say that if the bigots leave, they will not be missed, and we can get on with electing a fine team.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:20 am
While I’d love to see the bigots out of the picture I was welcoming the notion that RGeorgeDunn had finally realized that a vote for the McCain/Romney ticket will be a vote for our mutual interests.
If Romney isn’t selected for the VP spot I’ll certainly be disappointed. I’ve hoped ever since Romney stepped aside that we’d see him propping up the ticket in the VP spot.
I don’t know if this is common knowledge or not so I hope I’m not speaking out of line by sharing this but the evening before Mitt dropped out he and his team were planning their strategy for continuing in the race. They had plenty of evidence that he could still win so they’d decided to go for it. It was in prayer that night that he was inspired to drop out. That’s why his announcement the next day was so unexpected. Personally, I believe we’re going to see Romney as president eventually and that God has his hand in orchestrating the events that will lead up to that.
If Romney is the VP it will give the religious bigots a chance to get used to Romney in the White House. Right now they fear what they don’t know. But, as we all know, all it takes to abate fear is knowledge.
If Romney isn’t selected, I may believe that McCain buckled under the pressure of this loud minority. But it might be that McCain just couldn’t get over Romney exposing his weaknesses. So…. I’m not going to rely on an assumption that the choice was all about bigotry.
I’m going to have to vote for McCain regardless of who he picks. There are two reasons for this… I believe Obama will do irreparable harm with a liberal majority in Congress. If we had some good checks & balances going I wouldn’t be so nervous. The 2nd reason is that Romney laid out a plan. He stepped aside to prevent a divide in the party that would allow the liberals to take control. I believe he was inspired to take this role as a prelude to a complete overhaul of our party that will return us to the tenets of the Constitution and to the vision of our founding fathers. To vote against McCain would be a slap in the face to Mitt who’s given his all to ensure that we don’t fall under the liberal influences that would drag us into a fascist state.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:24 am
How do you know about that story Lorena?
July 31st, 2008 at 1:27 am
WOW Lorena!! Excellent post!!
July 31st, 2008 at 1:53 am
Well, that’s why I wasn’t sure how much of the story I could share. I think it wasn’t broadcast to the world. I felt compelled to share it here because I’m sick of people not knowing how truly wonderful this man is. (I feel kind of bad that I withheld my support of him as long as I did just because I wanted to be so “fair”!)
As Romney was making his speech my brother called us in tears. He’s friends with Mitt’s brother-in-law. The brother-in-law shared the account with him in some detail. So, the source is a bit removed from Mitt himself. I have no doubt of the account because I know how close Mitt’s family is and I, of course, know my brother. That’s probably no help to any of you though.
My brother and Mitt’s brother-in-law had some pretty wonderful discussions about all this in the days that followed. So, my brother would pass on some of their ideas to me and it sure made me feel better, like we knew it was all in God’s hands. They really believed that there was more to do to prepare the way. And that in the mean time we needed to rally behind Mitt’s conviction to get McCain into the White House because this was part of Mitt’s calling.
So…. you’re welcome to take this account with a grain of salt. But I hope you’ll believe that there are some terrific things going on that we have no idea of. I, for one, am going to support Mitt by supporting McCain.
July 31st, 2008 at 2:09 am
These past few posts have reminded me of this cool youtube video that you’ve got to see. The house involved belongs to my niece’s piano teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJZrJVDpbY
You’re going to see a real person in action. There wasn’t a camera crew anywhere and for that matter, no one even had any idea he was out there. If the homeowner hadn’t been so starstruck no one would’ve ever known.
July 31st, 2008 at 2:28 am
Lorena, your right, on Mitt being inspired, to drop out. I’m glad I’m hearing someone say that. I never heard that story, but he was so quick and decise, it allways struck me as inspired, in the Lords wisdom, hard as it was. I’m a little sick of people’s lack of faith, even some mormons. Many belive in God, but oh he’s light years away and only pops in once in awile. Ecspecially, when it comes to politics. I’ve heard God does’nt into it “politics”. Well ask the founders of this nation that. He has not even an interest in the highest office in the Land? Come people get real! Ecspecially the Lord knowing, the powers of darkness have great interest in that office and no doubt is one of the center battles, between the Lord and the You know who. There’s never been any doubt in my mind Romney was born to be Pres. Some say weve had a Republican for Pres for eight years. It would be hard for Romney to get in and stay in, ecspecially if McCain won and his health did not fail, which I think it will. Either way, the Lord is qaurterback sneaking Romney in and if McCain does’nt pick him, I think his health will fail even sooner and Romney will go up against Obama. I think it was best Romney lost. It’s been a blessing in disguise. It has sheilded him a little more, or alot more, while going through the process to focus people on Obama, as well as kept things quiet, as far as great emotion of criticism. I think also the plan has been to humanize Romney, as an imperfect human and lower expectations. You see, Obamas rise came first and great it was, but so will be his fall. Romneys got tooken way down first, before his rise. Personally, I belive the Lord is guiding Romney”although he’s human and imperfect” every step of the way. It’s not coincedence, that Michigan is playing such a big role. That they were snubbed by the Democrat party. That Michigan is having serious economic times”Gov. Romney”. That the Gov. is a Dem and unpopular, as well as the Mayor of Detroit and all his scandalland ofcourse his dad was Gov. there and Michigan moved there primary up, against threat. It’s not coincedence Romney has house in New Hampshire and the Boston media reaches in parts of the state. Romney won Minnesota, He won more Republican in Florida. He turned over the Olympics and has even greater affection in the West, beyond church ties. The Olympics are coming up at the right time. I think there is a sense about this. It puts peoples mind on Romney and may serve as a shield. His dad ran for Pres. You could’nt with your imagination, make somebody look more like they were born to be Pres, as Bill Orielly has enthusiastically pointed out.Also his personality is so dynamic and Pres. He came in second in Iowa, another possible key state.” Nevada, Colorado ect. We could go and on and on. I think it interesting, about the first serios female and black, whom by the way just happens to belong to a church that is extremely outspoken and in some aspects bitter and unamerican. Also there is endless hate talk on videos” Obamas Pastor” Ofcourse Obama left that church. Romney however stands bold and says” I will never distance myself from my church” I think this is all increasing the nature of something historic and as far as a Mormon and Rep. being elected for another 12 years, Well if I was God” sincerely” thats just how I would do it, that miracles may be manifest. Also, I think there was great wisdom for the anti mormon thing, to be tagged on some evangelicals. Lets face it, it’s not catholics. Also did’nt Romney die and come back, as a missionary in France. I know it was reported to his Gov. Dad that he died and then he came back to life. Miraculously, we have a pro american Pres. of France, Romney speeks French. Anyways, the list of design is not near complete. The oldest republican nominee ever, who has called some evangelicals” agents of intolerance” His campain was literally resurrected, to knock Huckabee and Romney out. He’s down in his own state. Romney would seal that state for him. Lots of mormons! Anyways we could go on. I see wisdom in the possibilty of an Obama Pres. There is a season for everything. By the way , I think it interesting have seen record braking floods in Iowa and tornadoes busting out after super tuesday, all on the southern states Huckabee won. Ofcourse some in there ignorance would not like me even suggest that. I see no harm. If Obama does’nt pick Romney, it’s because of anti mormon. If by some chance Romneys not on the ticket” one way or the other” I will not vote, as a matter of principle. It will send the Rep. party the wrong message and frankly far more mormons should seriously think about it and pray about it. AARON
July 31st, 2008 at 2:56 am
The motives for Romney backing McCain, are ideas and principles he’s standing for and because it’s the right thing. I could’nt of imagined him not doing so. That does’nt mean mormons should’nt think for themselves and think about sending a message. Besides, how do we know Romney or the Lord or whoever else would want us to vote, in an election were anti has made all the difference. I’m not saying Romney did’nt make any mistakes, or that there are’nt other reasons he lost, but lets face it, there is a flaw about everybody and I believe it’s unfair to Romney and mormons, to in any way discredit the ” he lost because of anti” Remember, ROMNEY himself said in his inspired speech” If I loose because of my faith so be it” That is why he lost, when all is said and done, not because of liitle maistakes, or another candidate taking votes or whatever. Those things are allways at work, with everysingle candidate. Ofcourse I personally believe he lost, because it was the stunning wisdom of God. God could have found a way around all of it, but for good reasons he said no and is taking Mitt a different route. I’ve made my decision, I will not vote for an anti mormon ticket and have decided to leave this election totally in Gods hands. Ofcourse, however I fully believe Romney will be on the ticket, one way or the other, but I’m trying to make a point. I’ve thought out and am being guided by my principles. Mormons really do need to do a little more in defending us and sending a message. I think some don’t want to mix things, however the twelve would have us have more balance, than some of us would’nt have to be so bold. I’ll admit I’m sometimes a little to bold, but people will get over it AARON
July 31st, 2008 at 2:58 am
Chris, I just got to say your dang funny. “purge the party of the right wing bigots” HEEEEE HEEEE AARON
July 31st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Anyone know how to send this to Tony Perkins?
Tony:
Thanks for all you do!!!
Would you be willing to use your influence to try to convince evangelicals that they need not fight the Mormons? Mormons are a huge HUGE asset in defending everything your organization stands for. The evangelical regret from shootong themselves in the foot will be substantial once good people everywhere finally realize this fact.
Will you please lend your influence to this issue at this
critical time? Please write something about it. Please take a stand.
I am concerned that silence on the issue from people of your stature actually adds to the problem.
Respectfully,
July 31st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Here’s one reason, among many, why Huckabee couldn’t hack the V.P. position:
From Politico,com by Jonathon Martin
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/Huck_compares_McCain_to_Dole_.html
July 29, 2008
Categories: Huckabee
Huck compares McCain to Dole
[Mike Huckabee, speaking a bit more freely in his new capacity as a Fox News contributor, used a "Hannity & Colmes" appearance last night to offer a candid assessment of McCain's performance last week.
Huck used two words that dare not speak their name in McCainworld: "Dole" and "anger:"
ESTRICH: He went to a German restaurant that didn't go very well. He had the time at the cheese counter at the grocery store. I mean, I have to tell you, if I were John McCain I would be glad I didn't get a lot of press last week.
What is wrong with the McCain campaign?
HUCKABEE: Well, I think he missed an opportunity. Instead of having some fun with it and showing sort of a buoyant 'hey, do what you've got to do, let Obama go play basketball, I'm solving problems.' Do it with tongue and cheek.
Frankly, I thought he looked more like Bob Dole in the last days of the 1996 campaign saying 'look at the record, look at the record,' and there was some anger and sense of frustration there.
He shouldn't show that. He needs to show that nothing is getting to him, it's rolling off his back, and I think he missed an opportunity to do that last week.]
Huckabee can’t control his squirrel-eating mouth.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Jon: Try this:
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=by03h27
That is the address to the Family Research Center with Tony’s bio. There are 2 contact points, one at the top of the page and one at the bottom. You an click there and write a general letter. I would probably do that and put ATTENTION TONY PERKINS:~~~~~~~~~~~ (attachment)
You may have already found this, I do not know. It is a great letter and I liked it.