Politico: Huck not going to be Veep
March 5th, 2008 Posted in 2008, Mike Huckabee, Mike Huckabee, Vice President
Don’t know if this is true or just the usual rumor mill/political posturing stuff…but if it were true, I know I would be relieved.
While some Huckabee supporters were hoping that he might get a vice presidential nod this year, Huckabee says they should forget it. “We have been given every signal that is not going to be considered,” Huckabee said.
H/T: Hotair
March 5th, 2008 at 4:43 am
Yeah! Someone (or a few someones) said they thought Huckabee was trying to get more delegates than Mitt. Did he accomplish this? Does anyone know? Thanks! Beth
March 5th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Thank heavens (no pun intended) the Huck is finally out. Aaaah, that feels good.
March 5th, 2008 at 8:06 am
No, that feels GREAT………….
March 5th, 2008 at 10:14 am
This is the thinnest of silver linings, but we don’t have to hear from Huckabee anymore. Maybe. I bet, however, that he can’t and won’t keep his silence like Governor Romney has done, and here’s why:
When Huckabee speaks, we are reminded how irritating he is, and are glad he isn’t the nominee (lesser of two evils syndrome).
When Romney speaks, we are starkly reminded about what we are left with, and are then irritated with the nominee himself.
The unfortunate result is Romney will have to continue to lay low for a while, and Huckabee is free to give his weekend speeches in the Caymans.
But at least CNN doesn’t list him anymore
March 5th, 2008 at 10:26 am
The CNN delegate totals have Romney edging out Huck by 255 to 251 which is good news I guess. Despite all Huckabee’s efforts to come in “second” and claim some form of moral victory, he just wasted a lot of time and money–someone else’s time and money of course. Notably, the trucker and the lady who sold her ring so he could milk the media limelight for all he could.
With all the scriptures/references Huckabee has used right up to his concession speech, I have a couple that have repeatedly come to mind when I think of this phony from Arkansas. Here’s a few for you Huck in your honor (not judging or anything like that of course
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Matt 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that humble himself shall be exalted.
Matt 21-23 Not everyone that saith unto me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven…And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me , ye that work iniquity.
Huckabee just might have been in the running for the VP spot if he had played his cards right but he just wasn’t willing to bow out when he should have. I’m sure McCain is a little ticked off with him for dragging this out like he did.
March 5th, 2008 at 10:45 am
By the delegate totals that I saw, Mitt hit either 291 or 286, depending on what site was running the totals and this morning Fox had Pastor Mike at 261.
As we all know, Mitt has been out of the campaign for a month and the best Huckabee could do was come in third, with no competition from MR. Oh, wait a minute, he did accomplish three other things.
1. He bled off enough votes from MR to make sure that the only full spectrum conservative was driven from the race.
2. He made sure that the Evangelicals who supported him now have someone who once referred to their leaders as “agents of intolerance”.
3. He has significantly driven up his speaker’s fees.
March 5th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Politico has another story up somewhere I think it may be that one where it’s mentioned the RNC is not even allowing him to speak at the convention, apparently they are all angry that he wouldn’t drop out and stop dragging this thing out.
March 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Just musing… It looks like Huck has his sights for 2012. If Mitt runs again in 2012, the same scenario will happen all over again with Huckabigot bleeding votes from Mitt. How will it be any different in 2012?
March 5th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
so much for the McCain-Huckabee conspiracy theorists on this site.
March 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
“For Mitt”, it will be different I think because more conservatives will be taking a second look at Romney because most of them realize that Huckabee is the reason why we have Sen. McCain as our nominee. By the time 2012 rolls around Huckabee is going to be marginalized, conservatives didn’t turn to him once Mitt left they knew he was a liberal already.
March 5th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Please elaborate Chauncy. Both McCain and Huckabee accomplished what they had set out to do. Huckabee let it get to his head. Did he honestly ever think he was going to pull more than the evangelicals? They are the only ones fooled by the “I’m one of you, except I live in luxury and get paid outrageous sums of money through Priestcraft while you will spend the rest of your lives in a trailer park.”
Huckabee managed to derail Romney’s run for the nomination by playing the religion/class card. Meanwhile, McCain just couldn’t believe his luck that some clown from Arkansas was going to help him win the nomination. He coasted on in with a little help from some dirty tricks he picked up the hard way by losing to Bush 8 years ago.
March 5th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Although McCain was irritated with tag-team buddy, Huckabee, these past few weeks, McCain still characterizes Huckabee as an “honorable” man. How many times through the primary phase did we hear McCain call Huckabee an “honorable” man?! The implication from McCain was that Romney was NOT honorable.
McCain USED Huckabee and his evangelical ferrets to gnaw the ankles off Mitt Romney. McCain became somewhat annoyed when the ferrets turned on HIM and began nibbling on HIS toes. Now, having successfully shaken them off, it will be interesting to see how weasel McCain will reward ferret Huckabee. V.P.? Cabinet position? Ambassadorial appointment?
Shrewd McCain knows not to offend the gnashing evangelicals (there are a few evangelicals who do not subscribe to bigotry). The vast majority of them have proven their power to destroy.
It’s well documented how thorough, organized, and consistently evangelicals have taught and do preach their bigoted indoctrination against Mormons - whisper campaigns, sermons, films, pamphlets, etc. This religious persecution is NO DIFFERENT from the goals and methods of the radical MUSLIM MADRASAS. How is it that the United States of America has allowed this bigotry to perpetuate decade after decade?
Besides learning what a moral, accomplished, qualified man Mitt Romney is, I believe one of the greatest accomplishments of his candidacy has been to show the world the hypocrisy, hate-mongering, anti-Christian philosophies and actions of evangelicals.
If we want Mitt Romney’s leadership in 2012, we must keep the spotlight on the UNAmerican treatment of evangelicals toward Mormons. Perhaps SHAME will bring CHANGE.
Let’s do it for Mitt.
March 5th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Amen Jon,
still am not voting for McCain. If I can write in Mitt I will.I agree with an earlier poster, Huckaby is now marginalized. We are stuck with McCain, and the best candidates is on the sidelines. I too did not watch his concession, what did he say about Mitt?
March 5th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
The Mormon Church says they don’t practice polygamy anymore, but a lot of Mormon’s still do and the church won’t do anything about it. That’s why have no respect for Mormons. Romney included. He, himself, may not practice it and that’s good, but he’s still worships in a denomination that hasn’t really stopped that practice yet even though it’s well known that it still happens. That means he supports it. Plain and simple.
March 5th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I heard that Rove is pushing for Romney as the VP. That option is appealing to me today. After Florida I said no way but now I would love to see Romney back in the race. Maybe it would not be the best thing for him politically.
I hope they will not ask Huckabee to speak at the convention. Mitt however deserves that honor and then everyone there will recognize that they supported the wrong guy.
For now, I am really interested in the idea that Romney gets the VP nod. What say you?
March 5th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Yes Jon and 2thepoint, you both are soooo right! I also could not watch his speech last nite, I switched to Lifetime and kept coming back and he was still going, blah, blah blah. What in the world did he say about Mitt, now that really burns me! Guess I should have grinned and beared it, huh? I listened to alittle of Imus this am, it was great as he went on and on about the boob, and how much he thinks of him, Huck the bufoon! I heard this morning on msnbc ( Morning Joe) that John Thune frim SD is going to be McCain’s vp. We’ll see. Please go back to the sticks Huck and shut-up! Listening to Rush now, its great!
March 5th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Huck is gone and I am glad. I have a feeling that he will be back in 2012. I also do not think that the Mormon haters will be gone in four years. I would love to see Mitt on the ticket with McCain, but I don’t want to get my hopes up. I hope that Mitt finds a way to keep his name in the press doing positive things for the conservative movement. I think what all of us as conservatives need to do is let Fox News know what a disservice they did to the republican party this year by choosing a candidate to back throughout the year. In my view, in some back room meeting they choose Giuliani and did not give the other candidates the “fair and Balance” coverage they pride themselves on. The conservative news was against Romney for along time.
I think we need to write and complain to Fox News big time. I think those of us who are Mormons learned an important lesson. Being good neighbors matters…. in the states where there are a greater number of Mormons the general population looked at Mitt fairly. They didn’t believe all the lies and nonsense that was out there about the church. In those states that have very few LDS citizens they believed the garbage that was thrown out there.
Thankfully Huck is out.
March 5th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Maybe Rove and the other big wigs in the republican party will have greater influence on McCain and maybe McCain will approach Romney about a VP position. However, McCain may not like that idea at all and Romney is being discouraged by his handlers not to go that route. For now, I am hoping for that pair up. Talk about forgiving and forgetting… that was easy. I must be desperate.
March 5th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Looks like Mike will finally have the free time to earn that degree in mathematics which has thus far eluded him…
March 5th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Huckabee …….
Empty can make noise.
We don’t have to hear you any more.
March 5th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
That sounded almost like a haiku CH.
Empty can rattles
Huckabee for president
Away with the wind
March 5th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Am I happy Huck is finally gone? Well, yes, of course I am. But that is all I will say. He did what he did, and now he’s gone. Good ridence (spelling?).
I did want to respond to For Mitt in post # 8. The way I see it, things wil be dramatically different next time around. While it is true that we don’t know who all else is going to be in the race next time around, we can bet on one thing: Mitt Romney will be a hands down front runner from early on. He has earned himself a great deal of good will and support by not only the way he ran his campaign and the issues he stood for this time around, but also in the way he exited, nobley and with class. Huck cannot say the same thing. He ran a mediocre campaign that relied too heavily on one subset of the voting populace, he couldn’t garner much of any aupport outside of evangelicals (why would next time be any different?), he doesn’t really have any clear stances on any issues excepting social ones, and the way he exited (or didn’t, as the case may be) is not going to win him any support next time around.
Next time around, we won’t see the vote split 5 ways for the whole year leading up to the primaries. Now let’s be generous and say that Huck get’s the same amount of support next time around as he did this time, about 17-20% on average. He isn’t going to be able to clear that except in a few states, if he even makes it that far. And Mitt will likely be averaging 30-40%, even in the 6 month lead up with all other candidates in the field. So whatever votes he “siphons” off of Mitt won’t make a heck of a lot of difference. It just means he won’t be winning by as large of margins. Oh well.
And for the record, I do not like the idea of Mitt on the ticket this time around. I don’t think it gives McCain a very large advantage in the general, since most of Mitts supporter are either going to vote McCain anyway simply because he is the most conservative (shudder) one left. And I think it hurts Romney big time, in the long run, because McCain is a loser (not his character, though I’m not discounting it. I just mean in the context of the election, he is at the top of a losing ticket, no matter who his VP is). Peesemistic? Maybe, but he hasn’t shown me yet that he has what it takes to actually win against Obama. Maybe Clinton, but that is a BIG maybe, IMHO. No RNC, not this time. Let’s focus on Congress, so that we are prepared to thwart either Obama, Clinton, or McCain’s liberal policy attacks on American society.
March 5th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
You see, I don’t think McCain is going to lose, he basically has Hillary beat at this point, and has even overtaken Obama in recent polls. Republicans traditionally increase their support closer to election day, which could very well put McCain in the White House.
…and that is why I want Romney as VP. Because, as mentioned above, Romney will be the 2012 frontrunner…unless McCain’s VP runs. As I said in the other thread, sitting VPs are virtually impossible to unseat in a primary, and I’m not even sure that it has ever been done in recent times.
March 5th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Nothing will ruin my mood today. Not now that Huckabee is finally out.
Jon — “They are the only ones fooled… ” — you nailed it.
Silver lining: now that he’s back to bilking a living from the gullible and defenseless, he’s only doing violence to his “base” instead of spoiling things for the whole country.
The weasel.
March 5th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I think the unflattering photographs of and comments regarding Senator McCain and Governor Huckabee that have been posted on this site are unbecoming of the dignity of those running for the office of the President of the United States, and the candidate this site presumes to represent, who I very strongly support. It’s counter to our dignity and our unity to engage in demonizing debate over respectable people or the hopes of their base constituency.
I saw a great ad on T.V. from Barack Obama speaking of education and the need for children to be helped by those around them. He stated that “government alone is not going to solve the problem.” I hope that we’ll be wise in legislating functions to government, and I hope those functions will be effectively and efficiently executed. I hope we won’t expect government to be involved in our personal matters or solve our personal problems. Thresholds of jurisdiction between federal and state entities are decided by law, but it’s liberty and the pursuit of happiness that define the thresholds between individuals and our government, and virtue and grace our ties to each other.
My hope is that when we look back on an election cycle that we see a season where the salient challenges before us were openly discussed and the better ideas and the more competent individuals to implement them were brought together and given our authority and our sustaining support. And the season is still at hand!
March 5th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
But all of those people have been eliminated from consideration. Now we have to pick between John McCain, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton.
March 5th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Every time I stop by, I thank God again GMR is off doing whatever he does when not spending the family fortune tilting at windmills. (You folks are so bitter!)
If Romney is waiting for the phone to ring to be asked by McCain to join him at the dance, it ain’t gonna happen. McCain needs youth, and diversity. JC Watts (young, eloquent black man) or the governor of Alaska (young, attractive woman) are my choices. Huckabee has better options than VP.
BTW - Huckabee finished with more delegates than Romney, because he ran the race with honor. Couldn’t fight the media and the League of Women Voters, but did not give up without a fight - and committed himself to continue spreading the messages that defined his campaign.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Mike,
I am an Alaskan, We voted for Mitt 44%. McCain came in 4th here at 15% (Ron Paul 3rd).
McCain is against opening ANWR for oil drilling. I do not think he’ll consider our Governor for VP as we screwed him and I think he’ll return the favor.
Although I like our Governor, I think she had a meteoric raise, and lacks experience for VP. This needs to be seriously considered, with McCain brushing the average life expectancy during his term.
Sarah Palin lacks connections to the ole boys club and the tainting by such associations. That was part of her appeal that landed her Gov spot here.
Fact is, she would make great VP for Mitt Romney, And with 6 years of Governorship by 2012, would be viable. The two of them, both Washington outsiders, untainted, both vocal agents of change, would make interesting race in 2012.
I am contrary to your bitterness remark. In fact, within 5 minutes of hearing Mitt’s withdrawal, I had a spirit of calmness and reassurance come over me, that I still carry.
Why? Only the Lord knows……
March 6th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Mike,
Perhaps you can explain to us how continually bashing a Presidential candidate’s religion, berating him for his wealth (every penny of which was earned through hard work and smart choices), and underhandedly sending out multiple “robo-calls” claiming to be from another candidate in order to upset voters into voting against said candidate - these are the hallmarks of running a race with honor? Uh, maybe I missed something here, but I think the correct word might be “dishonor.”
March 6th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Actually, the final delegate count was McCain 1260, Romney 272, and Huckabee 270, after Huckabee had an extra month or so to catch up and Romney offered his unpledged delegates to McCain. Then again, you’re not the only Mike who didn’t major in math…hopefully you have better luck with “miracles” than the other one. I suppose its a miracle (after a fashion) that some people are capable of reading and typing a sentence, yet still believe Mike Huckabee ran an “honorable” campaign.
March 6th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Also, for the record, when was Huckabee fighting the media? They were on his side until it reached the point where it was no longer mathematically possible for him to win the nomination. Look at all the free coverage they gave to his misleading attack ad on Mitt Romney before Iowa. Look at all the chances to ask him tough questions that they squandered. Mitt had to air commercials about his record just to get it out there! A 14 year old debate with Ted Kennedy gets played every time Mitt’s name was mentioned because it made him look bad, but nobody bothered to cover Huckabee’s boneheaded governorship. It was all miracles and sunshine. He even got a puff interview on Meet The Press, after Mitt and Rudy were held to the fire! Huckabee was entirely a media creation, and the people who fell for it gave us John McCain. Well, we survived Bush, we survived Clinton, we even survived Carter, I suppose we’ll make do as a nation.
March 6th, 2008 at 7:27 am
I posted on here, but now it is not here. Oh well, maybe it is a hint. I personally need a break from the political arena. ; ) Great site, my prayers are with you….
God bless,
Elizabeth
Utah
- this is the 4th time tonight, or to some (early morning) that the emergency broadcasting system has come on. odd, really odd. It said it has to run a weekly test, ok, I can get that, but this has been going on most of the night. It is in 4 counties, one of which I live. I always told my kids if anything happens look for me under my computer desk…lol nite….; )
March 6th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I ditto bigmo!
March 6th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Bigmo, I got lost in your post. Not sure which broken record you’re playing, but the math was there until last Tuesday, despite what the RNC and the media wanted to tell simpleton voters. (explained at http://mike4mike.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/funny-republican-math/) Depending on who you read, Romney collected 255 delegates to Huckabee’s 270 (source: CNN). But when he quit, GMR’s delegates became free agents; Romney threw his personal support behind McCain, but his delegates were pledged only to vote for Romney during the first round of voting, and nothing more.
Stephanie, I don’t know who you are talking about. McCain? Yes, he used underhanded tactics and namecalling, but Romney did a kiss-and-make-up, so that’s all in the past. Huckabee used volunteers for his voter calling - it’s cheaper and lets you engage the voter in conversation. And except for a couple of times early in the race when he let the advisors talk him into dropping low, Huckabee was always polite, especially as the race went long.
And bigmo (I almost called you something else), it is not a “miracle (after a fashion) that some people are capable of reading and typing a sentence”. I count myself extremely educated. You, however… (momma said don’t say anything if you can’t be nice, so…)
March 7th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Facts are stubborn things
March 7th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Mike, you may also want to qualify that with “don’t say anything if you can’t be honest” from now on as well.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Go bigmo! Great posts!
March 7th, 2008 at 12:54 am
Bigmo, I think this MIKE character is a”pot stirrer” if we ignore him, maybe he’ll go away!
March 7th, 2008 at 3:26 am
Thanks Alyssa. I just hate seeing this revisionist history already taking place. We need to be sure and set the record straight whenever it comes up.
March 7th, 2008 at 3:37 am
Jeanne, of course he’s a “pot stirrer” why else would a Huckabee supporter turn up on a pro Mitt Romney web site disparaging Mitt Romney, after neither candidate is even in the race? I can’t imagine being so bored as to go pester Huckabee supporters on their blogs when the race is already over. Huckabee often tried to say Mitt should drop out instead of him so the conservative vote wouldn’t be split (perhaps he got the idea from Comebacks for Dummies chapter 14: “No, that’s you!”) and now history has proven what we already knew, it was nothing but hot air. There were basically three reasons to vote for Huckabee: 1. You didn’t research the candidates thoroughly. 2. You’re not familiar with Article VI of the Constitution. 3. You’re a liberal who happens to be pro-life. I left out Chuck Norris fans because I hope nobody was dumb enough to vote for anyone for that reason.
March 7th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Mike, just go away!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I am not thrilled with some of the tone some people use on here, because I feel that Mitt Romney wouldn’t approve of it.
Mitt Romney actually had over 280 delegates until he gave them away and the Michigan contingent went mostly over to John McCain- three to Mike. So no, Mike ultimately never had more delegates than Mitt.
March 8th, 2008 at 3:01 am
I come because 1) every now and then someone says something useful, 2) to practice writing and 3) I’m an eternal optimist that if you people are as smart as you say you are, you will understand TRUTH instead of opinion (freedom and plurality of belief was CREATED as a concept by the Baptists in Rhode Island). You’ve told me this is the political strategy page for 2012, and I want to help you guys build your understanding of middle American issues.
March 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Mike,
I have refrained from commenting on your comments. I disagree with you, like most people here, and also can’t quite understand why any republican/conservative could support Huckabee, but I respect your choice nonetheless.
This most recent post is a bit enigmatic, though. I can’t quite make out what point you are trying to make.
1) Who on this site has ever claimed to be smart? If you see us as such, thank you, I feel complimented. But I don’t recall ever claiming to be smart. Sure, we believe that supporting Romney was the best choice, and therefore superior to the choices others made to support different candiates. But are you any different?
2) What “truth” and “opinion” are you referring to? Please be specific, as I already think I believe in truth (and some opinion rings true to me, even if not proven), which would negate one of your main purposes for coming here
.
3) Since when did Baptists “create” the concept of freedom and plurality of belief? That is a pretty bold, arrogant, and unsubstantiated statement, one that I think is harmful to societies perception’s of how American Protestants/evangelicals view the world/nation. This concept was never “created”, only adopted, and by many more people throughout history then then the Baptists in RI. And what does this have to do with TRUTH (as you so subtly screamed at us)? Even if they had “created” (oh, sorry, CREATED) the concept, as you assert, what claim does that give Baptists on “truth”? And how does this relate to your (as an individual) claim to represent truth now in the political realm? Are you implying that we Romney supporters are believing in falsehood by supporting our candidate? How is Romney any less “true” than Huckabee? Please enlighten me on truth, please, since that is what you are here for.
4) “I want to help you guys build your understanding of middle American issues.” Wow, really!? Just who, exactly, do you think we all are? Are we all simply from the NE or UT, upper-class citizens who can’t understand the plight of the middle-class form middle America? Could you please enlighten me just how different middle American issues are from my own (do you know where I’m from, or anything else about me, for that matter?)? Many of us ARE from middle america, so you are preaching to the choir, I’m afraid. See, your whole premise for visiting this site is based on a whole lot of assumption on who we are and how we think. Sure, we may (collectively, and unfortunately) do the same about Huckabee supporters, but you don’t see us visiting pro-huckabee sites antagonizing those who comment in support of their candidate. Besides, exit polling alone is enough to justify at least a generalization that Huck mainly attracted one subclass of voters: Evangelicals. The same exit polling data can not lead you to the same conclusion about Romney. He attracted support from every facet and subset of society (though much less so among southern evangelicals, strangely enough), so you can assume that those supporters of his at this site are representative of that.
In conclusion, I don’t think explained very well why you come here (not that I think you need to, you are more than welcome to come, anytime :D, but since you attempted to explain it, I thought you should know I found your explanation lacking, and a bit confusing). Keep visiting here, nothing you have said offends me (though I don’t speak for others). I am happy to discuss, even debate, any topic, as long as we are respectful in how we address one another, nothing will be held against you. Though I deserve the right to think you are incredibly misinformed our outright wrong
Have a good day.
March 8th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Mike,
Speaking of bitter, is poor Huckabee still muttering about Romney? Please tell him it’s ok now to let go!
If anything, Huckabee is treated far too respectfully here. Who could tolerate– much less support — Huckabee’s bigotry- pandering- and-make-believe based campaign? (Even if he will stop all those Pakistani immigrants fleeing Mexico. What?)
Anyway, thanks for the advice on middle America; I’ll take it as seriously as Huckabee’s suggestion that I jam a flagpole up my a**. And, just to be clear — I’d rather do that than have him as president!
p.s. -No experience with either of course (thank goodness), but I’m pretty sure that, in the long run, the flagpole hurts you way less…
March 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
frofreak, thank you for your kind and considered words. I apologize for being a product of public schools, but I did check with Wikipedia, which says that Roger Williams, the founder of the first (or second) Baptist church in the North American colonies was perhaps the first use of the phrase “wall of separation” in describing his preferred relationship between religion and other matters. This is the main reason he established the state of Rhode Island - to escape the mandated religion of the Mass Bay Colony. This concept of “soul liberty” —that people should have freedom of opinion on religious matters— is thought to be Thomas Jefferson’s source in later speaking of the wall of separation between church and state when the 6th Amendment was created.
Huck appealed to more than just Evangelicals, but Evangelicals are a potentially a significant block of voters. (I don’t trust the news media for political opinion - they said John McCain was going to drop out last summer, and that Gulliani or Romney were the front-runners.) Not quite as active in organized sharing of their faith as Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses, we are by nature bold in our opinions and a thereby can create more impact than other minority opinion groups just by the high percentage that participate in the public process.
My complaints are therefore not at people like you, but at individuals like bigmo, who assume that if I have a different reasoned opinion, I must not have investigated the candidates, read the Constitution, or be false in my views. None of these are correct; I do resent people who have to resort to name-calling when their reasoning falls apart. There are some candidates like that, but I don’t support them.
March 9th, 2008 at 1:26 am
i came to this website to try to find some kind of agreement from some “fellow conservatives”… i thought that the MacCain supporters were the most agresive, inmature and ignorant of all…. boy i was wrong!! im so hurt and dissapointed for all the disrespect and hatred that you have against Mike Huckabee !! he is a good christian, intelligent and peoples people man!! dont hate him because he had carisma, carried proudly his faith and cared for the most needy people!! and you say that christians and Huckabee supporters are mormon, ignorant haters!!, you disrespectfully call Mike Huckabee a clown, … and all other rude name calling!!! when if you take a look to Huckabee supporters blogs we dont talk bad about anybody just like Mike Huckabee did!! i have a profound respect for Mitt Romney because he is a very smart and conservative man!! i tought his supporters were smart, respectful and nice people just like him… but you keep going on how Mike Huckabee helped MacCain… just for the record … remember who endorsed MacCain after dropping out!! Mitt Romney!! i was dissapointed i must admit i didnt question his reasons… so i didnt expect to find this hostility towards Mike Huckabee a caring , honest man… shame on you! if he runs again we will support them and as Mike said Huckabee is appealing to other groups other than Evangelicals… im not an evangelical and i support him… so do i little research before talk trashing someone… i respect mormons and i appreciate his convictions but if you the ones being rude and trash talking Mike and us his followers (who btw. are also educated people… not ignorant…) i dont know what to think about you anymore… please correct me if im wrong… i want to believe that you are talking out of frustation and anger and that we all conservatives believe in the same things for next time…
dont worry i wont be coming back to your site if you dont want… because i came here with a good intention… oh well… you are more that
wellcome to see our blogs and there is none trash talking or rudeness about you… God bless you
March 9th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Buh-Bye Anna!!!!
March 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Well Mike, you can disdain “individuals like” myself, but the fact of the matter is you came on this site stating untruths as fact, I corrected the record and then you insulted my intelligence rather than disprove my evidence regarding delegates. I at least provided evidence. All you had was rhetoric. Also, Anna….have you ever BEEN to Huckabee blog? What do you mean there is no trash talking of us? I’m not a Mormon, but the comments section on some of those sites, when regarding Romney or Mormonism, makes this seem like a little girl’s tea party.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Anna,
I can’t speak for everyone else but yes, I personally have some very negatives feelings towards Huckabee because of what he did to Governor Romney (see post #29) I find that people like Mike and yourself who come to this site and condemn us for venting our frustrations repulsive and distasteful. You have all these unthinking,
empty claims about Huckabee being honest and honorable but would never respond to the acutal things that Huckabee did that are unquestionably unethical. Please respond to post #29 and tell me how you can still Huckabee honorable. I cannot justify calling anybody honest and honorable having done what he did. Anybody who claims otherwise is blind to the truth.
Please do not come to us with a holier than thou attitude when you support a candidate who is clearly unethical and unchristian. I personally consider him anti-Christ. But that is just me. The least you Huckabee supporters can do is to stay away and leave us alone.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Bman, the trouble is that there is not a clear definition of delegates. Some states have split delegates, and some do not require delegates to vote in the convention the way their state voted. As a case in point, Iowa’s 40 delegates will not be allocated until the state convention on June 13 and 14. All 46 of Colorado’s delegates, all 14 of Wyoming’s delegates, and all 41 of Minnesota’s delegates go to the convention unpledged.
You can see I’ve researched this carefully, and I’ve found half a dozen different lists of numbers, each with different assumptions, distribution of unpledged delegates, and conclusions. Most agree with you that Huckabee and Romney both ended the race with approximately the same number of delegates, most saying Romney had a couple more, but others place him 40 delegates behind. Who cares? Both did well. Both lost to the political machine.
As for your other comments, it’s like answering “have you stopped beating your wife?” How can I defend an accusation of “empty claims” if all claims to the contrary are based on rumor or a one-time out-of-character remark in the middle of a barrage of negativity? Post #29 is obscure at best and salacious at worst. (Huckabee didn’t have cash for ‘robo-calls’ - he used the thousands of volunteers to dial voters one by one.)
I thought you were intelligent people who sought good government and quality leaders, people who believed in the political process and the exchange of ideas. Unfortunately, it seems no amount of proof will convince you to be reasonable.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:59 am
The fact is you came in here basically claiming Huckabee won more delegates than Romney because he was honorable and Romney was not. That’s not reasonable, its a falsehood. If you want intelligent conversation, plenty of people can provide it. Just keep it honest and refrain from insulting a good man like Mitt.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Mike,
Continue to do your “careful research” on Mike Huckabee. It just may open your eyes to some truths about Huck. Have you come up with the Target wedding reigistry yet? How about destroying the computer hard drvie before leaving office? Being on the top ten most corrupt polictican? And then the dog killing cover for his son? A “qualified leader”? I think not!
Or are you just going to dismiss his record as obsure and salacious? All these will not be less offensive to me if he had not touted himself as the “true Christian” and played the religion card against Romney, who has lived an exemplary life and with a beautiful family.
Mike, the list doesn not stop here. It goes on and on, depending on how serious a truth seeker you are in your research. And while you are at it, go to http://www. evangelicalsformiitt.com. There you will find some outstanding, highly educated, accomplished salt of the earth young people who, while disagree with the LDS theology, are serious about their religion and thus can see right through Huckabee’s hypocrisy and cunning ways. You are the one who is being unreasonalbe and without proof in your claims about Huckabee being a honest and honorable man. Unless of course you still need to be educated about what it means to be honorable.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I mean will not be as offensive