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		<title>By: Mike Laub</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96566</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said; "Extremely harsh penalties against employers of illegal immigrants so the game is not even remotely worth the candle." This seems to be another way of saying: "Laws strong enough to discourage employing illegal aliens would be extreme". 
Reasons to disagree
1. Any law that is easy to comply with, is not extreme. Any law that does not punish you too severly for the first offense, is not extreme. If we created a system that made it easy to identify legal and illegal aliens, than it would be easy to follow the law. If we don't punish you very much for your first offense, but punish you a little more each time you break the law, only those who are trying to break the law will be punished very severely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said; &#8220;Extremely harsh penalties against employers of illegal immigrants so the game is not even remotely worth the candle.&#8221; This seems to be another way of saying: &#8220;Laws strong enough to discourage employing illegal aliens would be extreme&#8221;.<br />
Reasons to disagree<br />
1. Any law that is easy to comply with, is not extreme. Any law that does not punish you too severly for the first offense, is not extreme. If we created a system that made it easy to identify legal and illegal aliens, than it would be easy to follow the law. If we don&#8217;t punish you very much for your first offense, but punish you a little more each time you break the law, only those who are trying to break the law will be punished very severely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Laub</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96553</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way we treat illegal immigrants is the way they treated Anne Frank.

Reasons to disagree

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I have never heard of anyone proposing "penalties against those who house illegal immigrants", let alone harsh penalties, or houses that are private homeowners. But people who compare everyone they disagree with to Nazies should be beaten up. They will say that I am being a fascist by saying this, but there used to be lines of civility that people did not cross. Their were duels, and high noon to deal with people like this. You used to not be able to say stuff like this without getting beaten up. And it was good an healthy for society, and people acted like adults. But I digress. I have heard of laws against knowingly renting to crack-dealers. Are these laws that require fines from people who break this law, treating the crack-dealer like Ann Frank? If they can make stupid analogies, so can I. But this is the point. Any law that requires hiding in a house is not the same as Anne Frank. Ann Frank did hide in a house, but that does not mean that everyone who hides in houses is a good person, and everyone who tries to prevent illegal behavior in houses is a bad person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way we treat illegal immigrants is the way they treated Anne Frank.</p>
<p>Reasons to disagree</p>
<p>This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I have never heard of anyone proposing &#8220;penalties against those who house illegal immigrants&#8221;, let alone harsh penalties, or houses that are private homeowners. But people who compare everyone they disagree with to Nazies should be beaten up. They will say that I am being a fascist by saying this, but there used to be lines of civility that people did not cross. Their were duels, and high noon to deal with people like this. You used to not be able to say stuff like this without getting beaten up. And it was good an healthy for society, and people acted like adults. But I digress. I have heard of laws against knowingly renting to crack-dealers. Are these laws that require fines from people who break this law, treating the crack-dealer like Ann Frank? If they can make stupid analogies, so can I. But this is the point. Any law that requires hiding in a house is not the same as Anne Frank. Ann Frank did hide in a house, but that does not mean that everyone who hides in houses is a good person, and everyone who tries to prevent illegal behavior in houses is a bad person.</p>
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		<title>By: S Clark</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96491</link>
		<dc:creator>S Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ODE to OBAMA: THEY ARE LEAVING ARIZONA ON THEIR OWN!

The time has come. The time is now. They can go. Go. GO! We don't care how.
They can go by foot.  They can go by cow.  Illegal aliens won't you go now?
They can go on skates. They can go on skis. They can go in a hat. Just go.
We won't say Please!
We don't care. They can go by bike. They can go by Zike-Bike if they like. 
They can go on stilts, or go by fish, even an (uninsured) Crunk-Car if they wish. 
Illegals may go by lion's tail or stamp themselves and go by mail.
Get on their way, in a Zumble-Zay 
(a van filled with 20 people, or a motorcyle built for 6).
They can go by balloon, or broomsticks.
They can go by Bumble-Boat (innertube across the Rio Grande) or jet.
We don't care how they go, just Get!
Get themselves a Ga-Zoom and go with a BOOM!(just not like terrorists with ID theft)
They can leave us all some(hospital)room!
We said GO and GO we meant... (when Arizona enforced the law).
The time had come.  SO... THEY WENT!    

(Adapted from Dr. Suess Marvin K Mooney will you please go now! We're not saying please anymore.)

As we have actually inforced the laws against businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens.  The latest numbers of students registered in our crowded, public schools is already declining! There is already a newly found surpluss in our Education budget thanks to their exodus. Immediate relief to AZ hospitals and jails is on it's way.

As illegals withdraw their children, they are heading for California, your neighborhood, or anywhere it's easy to get a job.   You had better hope your local and state government is prepared to deal with the influx or pay the cost, because  McCain/Obama/Clinton won't help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ODE to OBAMA: THEY ARE LEAVING ARIZONA ON THEIR OWN!</p>
<p>The time has come. The time is now. They can go. Go. GO! We don&#8217;t care how.<br />
They can go by foot.  They can go by cow.  Illegal aliens won&#8217;t you go now?<br />
They can go on skates. They can go on skis. They can go in a hat. Just go.<br />
We won&#8217;t say Please!<br />
We don&#8217;t care. They can go by bike. They can go by Zike-Bike if they like.<br />
They can go on stilts, or go by fish, even an (uninsured) Crunk-Car if they wish.<br />
Illegals may go by lion&#8217;s tail or stamp themselves and go by mail.<br />
Get on their way, in a Zumble-Zay<br />
(a van filled with 20 people, or a motorcyle built for 6).<br />
They can go by balloon, or broomsticks.<br />
They can go by Bumble-Boat (innertube across the Rio Grande) or jet.<br />
We don&#8217;t care how they go, just Get!<br />
Get themselves a Ga-Zoom and go with a BOOM!(just not like terrorists with ID theft)<br />
They can leave us all some(hospital)room!<br />
We said GO and GO we meant&#8230; (when Arizona enforced the law).<br />
The time had come.  SO&#8230; THEY WENT!    </p>
<p>(Adapted from Dr. Suess Marvin K Mooney will you please go now! We&#8217;re not saying please anymore.)</p>
<p>As we have actually inforced the laws against businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens.  The latest numbers of students registered in our crowded, public schools is already declining! There is already a newly found surpluss in our Education budget thanks to their exodus. Immediate relief to AZ hospitals and jails is on it&#8217;s way.</p>
<p>As illegals withdraw their children, they are heading for California, your neighborhood, or anywhere it&#8217;s easy to get a job.   You had better hope your local and state government is prepared to deal with the influx or pay the cost, because  McCain/Obama/Clinton won&#8217;t help you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96468</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"No one rounded them up, and forced them into this country. There are these things called, planes, trains and automobiles Barak."

I was simply attacking the fact that this comment implied that Obama did not think of the use of planes trains and automobiles when he referred to the methods that would by used by those that want to get them out of the country. It's a subtle sarcastic suggestion, but juvenile at best. At least give him the credit that he assumed normal modes of transportation when he referred to "rounding them up". Do you think he was saying that republicans were thinking of rounding them up like cattle, with cowboys and whips? Of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one rounded them up, and forced them into this country. There are these things called, planes, trains and automobiles Barak.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was simply attacking the fact that this comment implied that Obama did not think of the use of planes trains and automobiles when he referred to the methods that would by used by those that want to get them out of the country. It&#8217;s a subtle sarcastic suggestion, but juvenile at best. At least give him the credit that he assumed normal modes of transportation when he referred to &#8220;rounding them up&#8221;. Do you think he was saying that republicans were thinking of rounding them up like cattle, with cowboys and whips? Of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96448</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal aliens can't currently work.  They can become legal (get a green card) to work.  So what you are calling for is enforcing people at the employer level check for legal working status?  Because if people can't work, how exactly do they "self deport"?  If they don't have money, they can't afford a ticket, gas, etc to get down there (many illegal immigrants paid large amounts of money to get into the US--its a highly organized industry, not just them waking up and walking across the border and getting a job on a lawn crew).  What you are proposing would likely have the consequence of creating a much larger homeless problem than we currently have, as illegal immigrants who have made it deep into the country would soon find themselves with no income and no way of getting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal aliens can&#8217;t currently work.  They can become legal (get a green card) to work.  So what you are calling for is enforcing people at the employer level check for legal working status?  Because if people can&#8217;t work, how exactly do they &#8220;self deport&#8221;?  If they don&#8217;t have money, they can&#8217;t afford a ticket, gas, etc to get down there (many illegal immigrants paid large amounts of money to get into the US&#8211;its a highly organized industry, not just them waking up and walking across the border and getting a job on a lawn crew).  What you are proposing would likely have the consequence of creating a much larger homeless problem than we currently have, as illegal immigrants who have made it deep into the country would soon find themselves with no income and no way of getting out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Laub</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96385</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course he didn't imply the use of automobiles, trains, or airplanes. That is what I am implying. I want illegal aliens to use these modes of transportation to go back home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course he didn&#8217;t imply the use of automobiles, trains, or airplanes. That is what I am implying. I want illegal aliens to use these modes of transportation to go back home</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Laub</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96380</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"what change are you proposing?  Making it illegal-er?"

You really don't understand? If we make it so that people have to prove that they are legal in able to work, then they will self deport. We have a tamper-proof, biometric ID card, for those who want to work, but are not legal.

I'm not going to explaine the whole program to you until you stop acting like a troll, and prove that you have at least been trying to pay attention to the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what change are you proposing?  Making it illegal-er?&#8221;</p>
<p>You really don&#8217;t understand? If we make it so that people have to prove that they are legal in able to work, then they will self deport. We have a tamper-proof, biometric ID card, for those who want to work, but are not legal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to explaine the whole program to you until you stop acting like a troll, and prove that you have at least been trying to pay attention to the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Laub</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96379</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Laub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama said that we can't round up the people that are hear. We didn't round them up, to force them to come here, so why should we have to round them up in order for them to get home? 

Yes. They used planes, trains in automobiles to get here, so they can use planes trains and automobiles to get home.

Obama sas there is no way for them to get home. Apparently he has never heard of cars, trains, and planes. What is so hard for you to understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama said that we can&#8217;t round up the people that are hear. We didn&#8217;t round them up, to force them to come here, so why should we have to round them up in order for them to get home? </p>
<p>Yes. They used planes, trains in automobiles to get here, so they can use planes trains and automobiles to get home.</p>
<p>Obama sas there is no way for them to get home. Apparently he has never heard of cars, trains, and planes. What is so hard for you to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you are telling them to go back where they came from, they can't stay here, but you are not rounding them up?  You are just asking politely?  They are already here illegally by current laws, what change are you proposing?  Making it illegal-er?  If you are telling them to leave, you have to round them up and do it, no question.

Now what of the children born of illegals here?  They are US citizens.  By forcing illegals with children to leave you are forcing a decision to be made between separating a US citizen child from its parents, or kicking a US citizen out of the country.  How is that resolved?  Its not a black and white issue, there is no easy comprehensive answer, as much as certain candidates want there to be-- that is what Barack (note the spelling) is getting at</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are telling them to go back where they came from, they can&#8217;t stay here, but you are not rounding them up?  You are just asking politely?  They are already here illegally by current laws, what change are you proposing?  Making it illegal-er?  If you are telling them to leave, you have to round them up and do it, no question.</p>
<p>Now what of the children born of illegals here?  They are US citizens.  By forcing illegals with children to leave you are forcing a decision to be made between separating a US citizen child from its parents, or kicking a US citizen out of the country.  How is that resolved?  Its not a black and white issue, there is no easy comprehensive answer, as much as certain candidates want there to be&#8211; that is what Barack (note the spelling) is getting at</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96285</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You truly believe that Obama didn't imply the use of automobiles, trains, or airplanes when he made that comment?
Please have more substance for your arguments in your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You truly believe that Obama didn&#8217;t imply the use of automobiles, trains, or airplanes when he made that comment?<br />
Please have more substance for your arguments in your posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://committedtoromney.com/2008/02/18/obama-is-wrong-on-immigration/#comment-96260</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article Mike. Nice real factual evidence comprised of commentary. Nice :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Mike. Nice real factual evidence comprised of commentary. Nice <img src='http://committedtoromney.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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